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Note VERY carefully, like today's political climate in this country, the religious battles became even more ferocious during the monarchy, when a king could decide which agenda would win the day. The Yahwehists who eventually wins the war, re-writes the history, praising their heroes (David, Samuel, Hezekiah, Josiah, et al) while vilifying those (Jezebel, Ahab, Omri, Ahaz, Mannaseh, et al) who rejected Yahweh of tried to introduce new gods into Israel. Not unlike today, each side probably had their lobbyists to push their agenda and this is evident in the days of Hezekiah and Josiah who both gave ear to Yahwehists such as Isaiah and Jeremiah respectively.
...And thus proceeds history! The winners get to write it, in every culture everywhere in the world. Egyptian pharoahs would take down the obelisks of their predecessors, in order to have the last word.
The kings in the north, at Samaria, not only lost the struggle, but so far as anyone knows, they didn't produce lasting records anything like the modern Bible--or if they did, such records were long since destroyed.
...And thus proceeds history! The winners get to write it, in every culture everywhere in the world. Egyptian pharoahs would take down the obelisks of their predecessors, in order to have the last word.
The kings in the north, at Samaria, not only lost the struggle, but so far as anyone knows, they didn't produce lasting records anything like the modern Bible--or if they did, such records were long since destroyed.
Yes, this hit home even more after watching the film documentary, The End of Poverty over at Columbia University last night. Talk about "the west" telling the story while the victims of their plundering and looting over the centuries are too dead to even utter their side of the story.
Incidentally, on the subject of long-lost records, there are several references in the Bible to what was apparently an old source even in those days, the Book of Jasher. (Those references indicate that it was fairly well known, since they appear in the form of a question, "Are they not written in the Book of Jasher?") It would be fascinating to know what was written in that book, as well as what became of it.
Incidentally, on the subject of long-lost records, there are several references in the Bible to what was apparently an old source even in those days, the Book of Jasher. (Those references indicate that it was fairly well known, since they appear in the form of a question, "Are they not written in the Book of Jasher?") It would be fascinating to know what was written in that book, as well as what became of it.
Yes, I started a thread on that somewhere around here. That would certainly be fascinating. There is "The book of th wars of the lord.[/i]
Huh? You're usually one with pertinent info. Come with it, man! Join in the discussion.
Is that supposed to be a compounding of Yahweh-Baalzebub, bub?
Well you asked what if the other side(philistines for example) had won, I assume you know the etymology of Beelzebub but I'll say it anyways for others to hear.
Now when people hear about the Beelzebub, they usually think of Satan, this may not be so. Ba'al was the god of the Philistines and though nobody is quite sure, early writters may have been saying Baalzebub to mockyngly mean Baalpoop. Had the other side won, then you probably would be reading Yaweh in some derogatory form, as being a false god or even as an evil deity with affiliations to the devil.
Well you asked what if the other side(philistines for example) had won, I assume you know the etymology of Beelzebub but I'll say it anyways for others to hear.
Now when people hear about the Beelzebub, they usually think of Satan, this may not be so. Ba'al was the god of the Philistines and though nobody is quite sure, early writters may have been saying Baalzebub to mockyngly mean Baalpoop. Had the other side won, then you probably would be reading Yaweh in some derogatory form, as being a false god or even as an evil deity with affiliations to the devil.
Well you asked what if the other side(philistines for example) had won, I assume you know the etymology of Beelzebub but I'll say it anyways for others to hear.
Now when people hear about the Beelzebub, they usually think of Satan, this may not be so. Ba'al was the god of the Philistines and though nobody is quite sure, early writters may have been saying Baalzebub to mockyngly mean Baalpoop. Had the other side won, then you probably would be reading Yaweh in some derogatory form, as being a false god or even as an evil deity with affiliations to the devil.
Beelzebub is a combination of two earlier Canaanite deities, Baal and Zevuv.
Just thought I'd mention this. "Baalpoop?" Wherever did you get that?
Beelzebub is a combination of two earlier Canaanite deities, Baal and Zevuv.
Just thought I'd mention this. "Baalpoop?" Wherever did you get that?
From Zebel.
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Very true.
