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Old 12-31-2008, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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And Mohammed is but the final message from God. He does not mediate, but comment we must find the mediator within ourselves.


Basically, how does God subsititute anyone of us for mediation at God's providence for all of Man? If I go to evangelist church, or to a mosque even, then why does common distinction come for fellow distinguished individuals to be decided as mediators?

It's like the atheists show that the arbitrary man cannot connect me to heaven.
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Old 12-31-2008, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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And Mohammed is but the final message from God. He does not mediate, but comment we must find the mediator within ourselves.


Basically, how does God subsititute anyone of us for mediation at God's providence for all of Man? If I go to evangelist church, or to a mosque even, then why does common distinction come for fellow distinguished individuals to be decided as mediators?

It's like the atheists show that the arbitrary man cannot connect me to heaven.
I like that, thats some profound way of putting it, thanks . Now can you put that in a simpler form so other will be able to understand it, even if they don't except it.

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this is not directed at any one person or group, it just my opinion.
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Old 01-01-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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Smile your missing the point of the verse

Jesus stands between us and God. as our mediator and because we have received redemption from our sins through His death, God sees the righteousness of His son in us when he looks at us. that is the message of salvation. that is why we need Him.

also, it is why so many pray wrongfully pray these days with a litany of requests and send money God.. At the cross, Jesus has already atoned for our sins and satisfied God's demand for payment. God judged the world (the flood), sodom(fire), and Israel, slavery, rescue, siege, slavery, rescue, siege.... rinse and repeat...that He had a plan and that is what Jesus did.

Sooooooooo, God isn't mad at us anymore..Jesus has already done it... the suffering is only temporary and this list of petitions we seem to love to bring cannot even rise to the level of what he did at the cross... what He did at the cross was enough....that is what and why He is the "mediator"
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Old 01-01-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Jesus stands between us and God. as our mediator and because we have received redemption from our sins through His death, God sees the righteousness of His son in us when he looks at us. that is the message of salvation. that is why we need Him.

also, it is why so many pray wrongfully pray these days with a litany of requests and send money God.. At the cross, Jesus has already atoned for our sins and satisfied God's demand for payment. God judged the world (the flood), sodom(fire), and Israel, slavery, rescue, siege, slavery, rescue, siege.... rinse and repeat...that He had a plan and that is what Jesus did.

Sooooooooo, God isn't mad at us anymore..Jesus has already done it... the suffering is only temporary and this list of petitions we seem to love to bring cannot even rise to the level of what he did at the cross... what He did at the cross was enough....that is what and why He is the "mediator"
Good post.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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Teaching is not mediation.

You apparently do not know anything about mediation.

Mediation is process by which two parties with a chasm between them are brought to a place of peace.

Only Christ Jesus does that.

There are many teachers....there is One Mediator.
Does the scripture say call no man teacher, and a call no man Father??
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