If you do not believe that God created us (prophet, reincarnation, punishment)
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My argument is that you have yet to explain how this whole thing started. What caused the universe to exist?
Knock, knock, anybody home? No atheist or freethinking individual here CLAIMS to know. Because you adopted a fairy tale that explains it does not make your position more tenable.
Knock, knock, anybody home? No atheist or freethinking individual here CLAIMS to know. Because you adopted a fairy tale that explains it does not make your position more tenable.
How is my "fairy tale" any less realistic than your's?
You believe in omnipotent chance. I believe in a creator.
My argument is that you have yet to explain how this whole thing started. What caused the universe to exist?
There's just no one hundred percent way to be sure. Welcome to reality, we don't always have the answers.
Let's pretend you're right... and "goddidit". Alright. What caused God to exist, then? If the universe can't appear out of nothing without having a creator, then God couldn't either. Who is God's creator?
There's just no one hundred percent way to be sure. Welcome to reality, we don't always have the answers.
Let's pretend you're right... and "goddidit". Alright. What caused God to exist, then? If the universe can't appear out of nothing without having a creator, then God couldn't either. Who is God's creator?
I answered that earlier, but I'll do it again.
You can choose to believe in a regression of creators that caused the one after them to exist...but at some point you have to have had a beginning.
We can measure 8 hours of time. We can measure 8 years.
If there is an infinite regression of time and creators in our past, how can we measure the infinite amount of time? How can you possibly cross an infinite amount of time to be able to get to now?
It had to have a beginning at some point. It's only logical.
There's just no one hundred percent way to be sure. Welcome to reality, we don't always have the answers.
Let's pretend you're right... and "goddidit". Alright. What caused God to exist, then? If the universe can't appear out of nothing without having a creator, then God couldn't either. Who is God's creator?
Don't bother. kdbrich wants it both ways - a science-based universe is impossible (and you are stupid for thinking it) because you can't find a cause, but god is everlasting and has no cause (and it is obvious). Whatever.
You can choose to believe in a regression of creators that caused the one after them to exist...but at some point you have to have had a beginning.
We can measure 8 hours of time. We can measure 8 years.
If there is an infinite regression of time and creators in our past, how can we measure the infinite amount of time? How can you possibly cross an infinite amount of time to be able to get to now?
It had to have a beginning at some point. It's only logical.
We can also measure 8 billion years. So?
If you want to believe there were other Gods before the Judeo-Christian era god of now, then doesn't that contrast the Christian Bible since it says God is the Alpha (beginning) and the Omega (end)?
Don't bother. kdbrich wants it both ways - a science-based universe is impossible (and you are stupid for thinking it) because you can't find a cause, but god is everlasting and has no cause (and it is obvious). Whatever.
Oh I know it's a total time waster. lol But I'm bored, so why not.
How is my "fairy tale" any less realistic than your's?
You believe in omnipotent chance. I believe in a creator.
I think you're confusing our belief with what you consider belief. We could very well be proven wrong one day and we'll admit. You god is unproven and you still cling to it. Who's being rational? You really don't have anything else left to post that would go towards a compelling argument.
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