if you believe that Jesus is God (souls, grace, Isaiah)

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by elwill

The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible . one of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation

Jesus was not the son of a human man (according to both the Bible and the Qur'an). However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why?. It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

Oh and you are Jewish so you would know the language of the Jews? LOL, you can't even discern/defend your own various translations of the Quran in other posts and you want to talk to us about our Bible and the Hebrew language. That is so funny. Our Bible is plain spoken and we don't have to decide if the scriptures are weak or strong. They are what they are. You on the other hand, when you are backed into a corner say...."that's a weak haddith or that translation is flawed." Give me a break.

[MrsMtnsOnTheMind]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

On earth God the Son, Jesus willingly submits to God the Father, but they are the same, it's call the Trinity.

Don't try to explain it to them. It is not for them to know.

John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

[moonsun]

Originally Posted by MrsMtnsOnTheMind

Don't try to explain it to them. It is not for them to know.

John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

YouTube - AMAZING!!!Dr.Zakir Naik proves concept of trinity wrong.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POaxl...eature=related

Truth about Trinity

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

On earth God the Son, Jesus willingly submits to God the Father, but they are the same, it's call the Trinity.

"god the son"

I have read the Bible many times.

This phrase: 'god the son' is no where to be found in the Bible.

It is a man made title.

[elwill]

Originally Posted by MrsMtnsOnTheMind

Oh and you are Jewish so you would know the language of the Jews? LOL, you can't even discern/defend your own various translations of the Quran in other posts and you want to talk to us about our Bible and the Hebrew language. That is so funny. Our Bible is plain spoken and we don't have to decide if the scriptures are weak or strong. They are what they are. You on the other hand, when you are backed into a corner say...."that's a weak haddith or that translation is flawed." Give me a break.

did you read plain spoken and plain translation of this verse for example , because i need plain answers

acts 3:26


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."</SPAN>
King James Bible
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
American King James Version
To you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
American Standard Version
Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.
Douay-Rheims Bible
To you first God, raising up his Son, hath sent him to bless you; that every one may convert himself from his wickedness.
Darby Bible Translation
To you first God, having raised up his servant, has sent him, blessing you in turning each one of you from your wickedness.
English Revised Version
Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.
Webster's Bible Translation
To you first, God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
World English Bible
God, having raised up his servant, Jesus, sent him to you first, to bless you, in turning away everyone of you from your wickedness."
Young's Literal Translation
to you first, God, having raised up His child Jesus, did send him, blessing you, in the turning away of each one from your evil ways.'

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.


in this link you will find the meaning of this word pais which translated to son and sometimes servent

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3816.htm



may be i'm not jew , may be i know nothing about hebrew , but at least i have mind to use .

[elwill]

Originally Posted by MrsMtnsOnTheMind

Don't try to explain it to them. It is not for them to know.

John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow
me:

but jesus never said by his voice that he is God , you don't follow the voice of jesus you follow the voice of paul

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by Dusty Rhodes

HUMMMMMMM, I am constantly amazed that people take the bible seriously, there are better and more thought out ethics in the writings of Dr. Seuss.

Well that's Kool. Then why don't you open up another thread and explain to us how the philosophy of Dr Seuss is going to change the world for the better, socially, financially, spiritually, and how will it result in peace and security for our world as well as eco-friendly solutions for our planet. Many of us have been waiting for these superior testimonials and recommendations from all these higher critics such as yourself, but thus far they have eluded this very forum.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by wade52

I think an all-knowing, all-powerful deity could come up with a better plan. Heck, even I could. And I'm just average guy.

Well, again, that's Kool average guy, then why don't you also open up another thread and explain your views on what is THE better solution for saving this planet and mankind in general ??? I've watched and listened to all the Higher Critics in this forum tear down and destroy others beliefs, but as yet, not one has anything to offer us, than eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

I have to tell you, this planet ecologically is going down fast. It is almost certainly directly related to mankinds misuse of it's resources because of a huge lack in morals for accomplishing anything possitive. Don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you and think that much of religion has failed in promoting these things. We have historical evidence on that to back up such data on it's failure. But what are the outsider suggestions as to how this will get accomplished , if the Bible is a total failure. Surely you and other outside Higher Critics have THE answers for all of us to follow. Please open a thread and share them.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by elwill

but jesus never said by his voice that he is God , you don't follow the voice of jesus you follow the voice of paul

I think I'm missing something here. What is this Islamic hatred of the Apostle Paul ???

Paul NEVER promoted , nor championed the dogma of a pagan Trinitarian concept !!!

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

Forgiveness of sin does require the shedding of blood, read Hebrews 9:22. I would probably have come up with a different plan too, but thankfully God is in control and I trust His ways more.

Shedding of blood? God likes violence and blood? He must love wars and murder then.