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Old 07-01-2016, 12:53 AM
 
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The Jewish people are only God's chosen people under the Judaism religion (Old Testament). Under Christianity (New Testament) everyone that believes that Jesus is Lord and God is Saved by Faith in Jesus being the Christ.

The Bible says that we are Abraham Children by Faith In JESUS.
Can you back all this up from the Tanakh?...
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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Can you back all this up from the Tanakh?...
Now you know they will find nothing there. They rewrote biblical Abraham to contradict the OT in the NT to cast Jews in a dark light.


https://bible.org/seriespage/7-abrah...romans-327-425
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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Can you back all this up from the Tanakh?...

I can back up JESUS qualification as the Messiah of the JEWISH NATION......


And all of the Old Testament Prophets that described JESUS To A T......
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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I can back up JESUS qualification as the Messiah of the JEWISH NATION......


And all of the Old Testament Prophets that described JESUS To A T......
Actually, none does. They also happen to discuss many people, and the term "Messiah" is mostly a post "OT" term in the way you are using it.
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Old 07-02-2016, 05:05 AM
 
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I can back up JESUS qualification as the Messiah of the JEWISH NATION......


And all of the Old Testament Prophets that described JESUS To A T......
Then use the Tanakh and back it up, bubala....
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Old 07-02-2016, 05:10 AM
 
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Actually, none does. They also happen to discuss many people, and the term "Messiah" is mostly a post "OT" term in the way you are using it.
Yea, how many in the COT were called anointed one?...
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Old 07-02-2016, 05:23 AM
 
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Now you know they will find nothing there. They rewrote biblical Abraham to contradict the OT in the NT to cast Jews in a dark light.


https://bible.org/seriespage/7-abrah...romans-327-425
That link is long...From what I read it seems to be bashing us Jews...Is this the point that you were trying to make?...

Yea, I know Howest won't find anything there, but since they claim offshoot of Judaism, I want to see them actually use the actual Hebrew Scriptures and see what they come to...
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Then use the Tanakh and back it up, bubala....


Psalm 22:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

Footnotes:
  1. Psalm 22:16 Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me, / like a lion

Cross references:
  1. Psalm 22:16 : Php 3:2
  2. Psalm 22:16 : Isa 51:9; 53:5; Zec 12:10; Jn 20:25
  3. Psalm 22:17 : Lk 23:35
  4. Psalm 22:17 : Ps 25:2; 30:1; 35:19; 38:16; La 2:17; Mic 7:8
  5. Psalm 22:18 : S Lev 16:8; Mt 27:35*; Mk 15:24; Lk 23:34; Jn 19:24*
  6. Psalm 22:18 : Mk 9:12
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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Out of the mouths of two or three witnesses let every word of GOD be established ...!!!

44 Prophecies Jesus Christ Fulfilled Prophecies About Jesus Old Testament
Scripture New Testament
Fulfillment1Messiah would be born of a woman.Genesis 3:15Matthew 1:20


Galatians 4:42Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.Micah 5:2Matthew 2:1


Luke 2:4-63Messiah would be born of a virgin.Isaiah 7:14Matthew 1:22-23


Luke 1:26-314Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.Genesis 12:3


Genesis 22:18Matthew 1:1


Romans 9:55Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.Genesis 17:19


Genesis 21:12Luke 3:346Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.Numbers 24:17Matthew
1:27Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.Genesis 49:10Luke 3:33


Hebrews 7:148Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.2 Samuel 7:12-13


Isaiah 9:7Luke 1:32-33
Romans 1:39Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.Psalm 45:6-7


Daniel 2:44Luke 1:33


Hebrews 1:8-1210Messiah would be called Immanuel.Isaiah 7:14Matthew 1:2311Messiah would spend


a season in Egypt.Hosea 11:1Matthew 2:14-1512A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's

birthplace.Jeremiah 31:15Matthew 2:16-1813A messenger would prepare the way for MessiahIsaiah


40:3-5Luke 3:3-614Messiah would be rejected by his own people.Psalm 69:8


Isaiah 53:3John 1:11


John 7:515Messiah would be a prophet.Deuteronomy 18:15Acts 3:20-2216Messiah would be preceded


by Elijah.Malachi 4:5-6Matthew 11:13-1417Messiah would be declared the Son of God.Psalm


2:7Matthew 3:16-1718Messiah would be called a Nazarene.Isaiah 11:1Matthew 2:2319Messiah would


bring light to Galilee.Isaiah 9:1-2Matthew 4:13-1620Messiah would speak in parables.Psalm 78:2-4


Isaiah 6:9-10Matthew 13:10-15, 34-3521Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.Isaiah


61:1-2Luke 4:18-1922Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.Psalm 110:4Hebrews


5:5-623Messiah would be called King.Psalm 2:6


Zechariah 9:9Matthew 27:37


Mark 11:7-1124Messiah would be praised by little children.Psalm 8:2Matthew 21:1625Messiah would


be betrayed.Psalm 41:9


Zechariah 11:12-13Luke 22:47-48


Matthew 26:14-1626Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.Zechariah 11:12-


13Matthew 27:9-1027Messiah would be falsely accused.Psalm 35:11Mark 14:57-5828Messiah would


be silent before his accusers.Isaiah 53:7Mark 15:4-529Messiah would be spat upon and struck.Isaiah


50:6Matthew 26:6730Messiah would be hated without cause.Psalm 35:19


Psalm 69:4John 15:24-2531Messiah would be crucified with criminals.Isaiah 53:12Matthew 27:38


Mark 15:27-2832Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.Psalm 69:21Matthew 27:34


John 19:28-3033Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.Psalm 22:16


Zechariah 12:10John 20:25-2734Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.Psalm 22:7-8Luke


23:3535Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments.Psalm 22:18Luke 23:34


Matthew 27:35-3636Messiah's bones would not be broken.Exodus 12:46


Psalm 34:20John 19:33-3637Messiah would be forsaken by God.Psalm 22:1Matthew 27:4638Messiah

would pray for his enemies.Psalm 109:4Luke 23:3439Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side.Zechariah


12:10John 19:3440Messiah would be buried with the rich.Isaiah 53:9Matthew 27:57-6041Messiah


would resurrect from the dead.Psalm 16:10


Psalm 49:15Matthew 28:2-7


Acts 2:22-3242Messiah would ascend to heaven.Psalm 24:7-10Mark 16:19


Luke 24:5143Messiah would be seated at God's right hand.Psalm 68:18


Psalm 110:1Mark 16:19


Matthew 22:4444Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.Isaiah 53:5-12Romans 5:6-8[SIZE=1](Sources:


100 Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus: Messianic Prophecies Made Before the Birth of Christ by


Rose Publishing; Book of Bible Lists by H.L. Willmington; NKJV Study Bible; Life Application Study Bible.)[/SIZE]
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:33 AM
 
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This is getting close to bashing another religion so treading carefully should be the rule here. The Jews used their traditions and expectations proscrip[tively (predictively) as the basis for deciding who, what, and when the Messiah would come. That is why they missed Jesus. Christians used the prophecies retrospectively (after the fact) and that is how they discovered and validated Christ.

I have heard very different views on Jewishness. One is like the Christian OSAS, once a Jew always a Jew. Another claims Jewishness is hereditary and only passes down through the mother. Another that it is hereditary and only passes down through the father. Another that it can be chosen. I have no idea which is true, nor do I think it matters one iota to God. But I am convinced that if you follow Christ's instructions to love God and each other every day and repent when you don't, you will be acceptable to God no matter what you believe or what religion you claim.
This is SO worth emphasizing!!!
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