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Jews are not the 'Chosen people' of the Christian faith, they are the 'Chosen people' of Judaism. The 'Chosen people' of God, in Christian terms, now applies to all who ask the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of their sins, and give their lives in service to Him.
Jews are not the 'Chosen people' of the Christian faith, they are the 'Chosen people' of Judaism. The 'Chosen people' of God, in Christian terms, now applies to all who ask the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of their sins, and give their lives in service to Him.
Of course, "in Christian terms," everything pertains to Christianity and nothing else is relevant. That's like using a word to define itself; you certainly aren't making much of a case to anyone with a claim like that.
The only reason Jews are 'the chosen people' is they named themselves that and insist that everyone else acknowledge them as such. It is arrogant, ignorant behavior and people are known by their actions rather than their words. If the behavior of Jews, through the centuries, and in modern times is an example of what god delights in, then that god is a real a-hole. It is abundantly clear that the god of the Jews is made in their image rather than they in his. Only idiots believe the Jews are the 'chosen' people and the Jews know that. They laugh at all you people.
It should be highly embarrassing that so many people in the 21st century still believe clap-trap written to fool 6th century BC peasants. Apparently, peasants in 6th Century BC Palestine had more going for them upstairs than modern bible-thumpers do.
I've said as much here before. It is classic a circular argument.
"We are God's chosen people because we say we are God's chosen people and because we say are God's chosen people then we must be God's chosen people."
Somehow many people sucked this up as some kind of fact.
Speaking as one of those Jewish people, I wish you wouldn't impose your religious beliefs on me.
Speaking as one of those Jewish people, I can tell the truth even if it is to my own hurt.
Jesus is the Messiah. He came and went. Our forefathers missed him, but not all. There were many people who believed in Jesus. Some of these people were the disciples who took the good news of Emanuel to the world.
Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. It was by faith that Abraham became the father to the those who believe. Not just to have his blood descendants to be blessed and called the children of God, but that he became the father to all who believe in God. He is the father of faith.
It is not my religious beliefs that I am imposing, rather I am speaking the truth. May the Lord God save Israel. May there be peace in Israel and may Jacob come to the realization that Jesus is the Messiah.
Wo ho ho there partner.
You need to have patience.
Any moment they're gonna start talking about the "East Gate" on the "North Slope", as viewed from the "West Bank" while standing on the "South Wall", then you'll really see the sparks fly.
the Jews don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, because they wrote the whole thing as a way to corrupt their Roman overlords.
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Jewish elite wrote the first part of 'Judaism' only after 536 BC upon returning from Babylon captivity. They wrote and invented characters like Moses, David and Solomon as a means to unite the Samaritan and Judean peasants under their authority in Nehemiah's temple in Jerusalem. They were given this authority by the King of Persia to collect taxes for him through the temple. He didn't trust them with an army, so they were left with 'rule through religion'.
The oldest books of the bible are actually cobbled together pieces of Egyptian poetry, Persian theology (i.e. angels and monotheism) and folk 'histories' of the Samaritans (old Israel) and Judeans. The evidence that this is exactly what went on is from the Samaritans, themselves. At the time of Nehemiah's 'rebuilding' of the Jerusalem temple, the leader of the Samaritans, named Sanballat, was making fun of Nehemiah and building his own temple on Mt. Gezarim in Nablus, West Bank. Today, this site is being exacavated by Israeli archeologists. Sanballat's temple was dedicated to Elohim, the god of the Samaritans. Nehemiah's temple was dedicated to Yaweh, the god of the Judeans. Both gods, go way back as minor household gods in the Semitic pantheon and are mentioned as early as 3,000 BC (royal archives of Ebla) as minor gods under the main god Dagon. The Samaritans didn't believe the clap trap the Jews were telling them. This is the original source of the animosity between Jews and Samaritans mentioned in the New Testament.
The Jews found that these fake documents worked and fooled a lot of hoi polloi Jews. The 'religion' established itself in the area. It was further tweaked as the Jews fought Greek influence of the Seleucid empire. New books were added to the old testament. The Septaguint was written in Greek and added to the library at Alexandria. For a century, the Seleucids allowed the Jews to rule Palestine (approx 164 BC to 64BC). Then the Romans came in and took over rule of Palestine.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The Jews, smarting under Roman rule, realized they were never going to physically get rid of these conquerors. They decided to invent yet another new religion for 'the gentiles' to worm their way into how the conquerors thought. Think of it this way, the Jews said, "You may rule our land, but we will rule your minds!"
The Jews had already practiced corrupting a people by their own religion and so they set about doing it to the Romans. The whole purpose of Christianity was to turn Romans into second-class Jews and then rule them through religion. The exercise was itself corrupted when Jews were usurped by Greeks who caught on to what they were doing and saw it as a means to further their own power among the Romans. The Greeks had expelled the Jews from early Christianity by the end of the 1st century. It was then that they began building the mythology of modern Christianity.
This is the short tour, but it is accurate. This is the reason Jews don't acknowledge Christianity - they know it is a fake religion. What the Jews don't understand is, "Judaism is the mother of all fake religions". A final addendum to this, it is highly likely that 'Christianity' pre-existed the Jews tinkering with it. This earliest, now lost Christianity would have been a form of Zoarastrianism moderated by Greek Neo-Platonic philosophy. The evidence for this exists in ancient church records and in the theology of Christianity, itself. The more profound aspects of Christian theology are owing to these two sources, not Judaism.
This is an interesting set of statements. Anywhere I can independently verify any of this? Someplace authoritative?
I realize that there is an interconnectedness in the history of the Christian faith and Judaism and I'm certainly no expert on the subject. From the Christian perspective the Bible clearly states that the Jews are the chosen people and Jesus himself is said to be a Jew. What seems perplexing to me is that the main religion of the Jews in the world is Judaism which of course has it's own set of beliefs and doesn't accept Jesus as the messiah. My question isn't really about Jusaism, it's about Christianity, and I'm simply wondering why the chosen people according to the Christian faith are the Jews and yet they don't even share the basic beliefs of Christians. This brings up a few questions. Christians believe that only by accepting Christ can an individual be saved. Does this mean that the overwhelming majority of Jews, God's chosen people, will not be saved? Also, doesn't it seem very strange that God's chosen people, according to Christianity, aren't even believers in the Christian faith?
The books of Moses are very strict, very focused on there being only one God.
The first commandment focuses on this.
There is room for no further Gods in the Jewish doctrine.
With over 1200 statements in the Old Testament re-affirming that there is only one God; Jews will likely always be Mono-theist.
Messianic Jews [those who accept Jesus Christ] do so because they read of Jesus being the Messiah, the son of our God.
In the book of Acts Jews did accept Jesus, however that was centuries before the doctrines of Jesus' divinity were cooked up.
I realize that there is an interconnectedness in the history of the Christian faith and Judaism and I'm certainly no expert on the subject. From the Christian perspective the Bible clearly states that the Jews are the chosen people and Jesus himself is said to be a Jew. What seems perplexing to me is that the main religion of the Jews in the world is Judaism which of course has it's own set of beliefs and doesn't accept Jesus as the messiah. My question isn't really about Judaism, it's about Christianity, and I'm simply wondering why the chosen people according to the Christian faith are the Jews and yet they don't even share the basic beliefs of Christians. This brings up a few questions. Christians believe that only by accepting Christ can an individual be saved. Does this mean that the overwhelming majority of Jews, God's chosen people, will not be saved? Also, doesn't it seem very strange that God's chosen people, according to Christianity, aren't even believers in the Christian faith?
Deut 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deut 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman
So the answer is that Jews believe that the messiah was like Moses and King David which were great leaders of their time. The Messiah is supposed to be a mortal not a god. Jesus in their eyes did not meet the requirements as a messiah so they rejected him. To them Christianity worship is idolatry.
Under the Christian concept they believe that Jews did not understand what Jesus meant so they rejected what god had to offer . Christianity believe that the Jews are the chosen people but the Gentiles can achieve the same by the blood of Jesus.
The Jews will be saved be cause of the old covenant.
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Originally Posted by MontanaGuy
Also, doesn't it seem very strange that God's chosen people, according to Christianity, aren't even believers in the Christian faith?
This is why I personally explored Judaism to find out why they are not Christians. Once you learn more about Judaism you find out that it is total different belief than Christianity. Some do convert to Christianity. But their are Christian converting to Judaism.
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