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I've been studying this some today. The Greek word arsenokoites, according to the Alfred Marshall Interlinear and the Strong's Concordance means sodomite.
If you want to get technical, it's not really possible for the word arsenokoites to mean "sodomite" when the word sodomy didn't even come to be until 1297. Sodomize wasn't coined until 1868. And even if it did, then it still wouldn't translate to "homosexual" because even heterosexuals participate in sodomy.
Either way, the useage of arsenokoites in non-biblical texts is often in reference to rape or slave trading, not homosexual relationships.
I happened to see that part and I did think about it, I thought how this movie is trying to convince people that homosexuality is not a sin, it's ok.
I think that homosexuality and anything someone says is a sin is only a sin if you want it to be. Only the individual has the right to judge him/herself as to whether homosexuality is right or wrong. Personally, I don't think God cares one way or the other what a persons sexual preference is. Homosexuality is something that the Bible says is wrong from what I'm hearing but it's more of someones opinion and God should be left out of it.
It's not my thing to be homosexual but I can respect peoples wishes of what they are.
I happened to see that part and I did think about it, I thought how this movie is trying to convince people that homosexuality is not a sin, it's ok.
That is not at all what this movie is about...It is about the damage done to a gay youngster by judgmental people including his mom, the very one who should have supported and helped him. I'm sure you are not free from what you call sin. How would you feel if most of the people you knew were constantly telling you what a terrible abomination you are?
I have no problem with those who think homosexuality is sinful..The problem arises when they are verbally judged and condemned. I would have thought that for a Christian, sin would be a matter between the individual and their God. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.
That is not at all what this movie is about...It is about the damage done to a gay youngster by judgmental people including his mom, the very one who should have supported and helped him. I'm sure you are not free from what you call sin. How would you feel if most of the people you knew were constantly telling you what a terrible abomination you are?
I have no problem with those who think homosexuality is sinful..The problem arises when they are verbally judged and condemned. I would have thought that for a Christian, sin would be a matter between the individual and their God. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.
I totally disagree with you about the movie not at all being about making homosexuality looking ok. It did try to explain away the scriptures (in the OT only), and in the parade at the end also leaned toward that.
However, I agree with you that it was a movie about his mother not supporting him, and how she helped him in the way she thought was right, but obviously she went about it wrong.
I cried a lot during this movie, and I hope that it helped some to see that homosexuals have just as many feelings as everyone else and deserve our love like everyone else. I hope maybe it helped parents to realize if they have a gay child to find resources to get help on how to deal with it.
How would you feel if most of the people you knew were constantly telling you what a terrible abomination you are?
I have no problem with those who think homosexuality is sinful..The problem arises when they are verbally judged and condemned. I would have thought that for a Christian, sin would be a matter between the individual and their God. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.
This is the most abominable corruption of the Christian teachings and message of love. Those who engage in it jeopardize their own souls, IMO.
That is not at all what this movie is about...It is about the damage done to a gay youngster by judgmental people including his mom, the very one who should have supported and helped him. I'm sure you are not free from what you call sin. How would you feel if most of the people you knew were constantly telling you what a terrible abomination you are?
I have no problem with those who think homosexuality is sinful..The problem arises when they are verbally judged and condemned. I would have thought that for a Christian, sin would be a matter between the individual and their God. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.
I agree, the mother should have handled it different. And you're right no one should be told they are a terrible abomination, but a parent cannot just sit by and say nothing when their child is going down a sinful path. She should have made sure he know she still loved him, but not by supporting his decision to be gay, shutting him out was wrong.
I totally disagree with you about the movie not at all being about making homosexuality looking ok. It did try to explain away the scriptures (in the OT only), and in the parade at the end also leaned toward that.
However, I agree with you that it was a movie about his mother not supporting him, and how she helped him in the way she thought was right, but obviously she went about it wrong.
I cried a lot during this movie, and I hope that it helped some to see that homosexuals have just as many feelings as everyone else and deserve our love like everyone else. I hope maybe it helped parents to realize if they have a gay child to find resources to get help on how to deal with it.
The movie did a great job at explaining the scriptures...and in highlighting how people think it's okay to choose which passages to believe "literally" based on their own (and society's) bias. It's so sad to see Christians hold fast to an unfounded hatred of gay HUMAN BEINGS and continue trying to justify it through their - OUR - Bible...and all caused by fear and ignorance.
I'm glad you made that final statement that seems to display some personal enlightenment...I was hoping that this movie would have an educational effect and help ease some of the hatred that exists in the world. Of course gay people have feelings and emotions...as human beings, gays and lesbians are simply people who have homes, have families, have pets, have hobbies, live, work, eat, sleep, and love...just like the next person.
I agree, the mother should have handled it different. And you're right no one should be told they are a terrible abomination, but a parent cannot just sit by and say nothing when their child is going down a sinful path. She should have made sure he know she still loved him, but not by supporting his decision to be gay, shutting him out was wrong.
How in the world can you love someone without offering them your acceptance and support? That is not really love in the true sense...and it's such a sad thing to see that you still call it his "decision to be gay" when the story clearly went into depth about the incredible struggle he went through trying to suppress his natural emotions.
So...you're saying it's better to try and keep him from going down his natural path because some people perceive it to be sinful, in favor of the path that his mother forced him to take?
I wish the real die-hard antigay haters could imagine being a heterosexual teenager in a gay world...where you're being told that you have to be gay because it's "the right path"...you try very hard, but you're just not gay and can't force yourself to be...you have no idea where to turn...people who loved you unconditionally before suddenly look at you differently and obviously love you a little bit less than before...it's the scenario every gay teenager goes through - either in or out of the closet - until he/she finally realizes that the only answer is to accept it and continue on with life.
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The Greek word arsenokoites, according to the Alfred Marshall Interlinear and the Strong's Concordance means sodomite.
