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Old 01-26-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I believe a) it was a test of Abraham's character, and b) it would prophesy about what God had planned for the future.
I think you answered my question pretty well from a Christian perspective but do you find this story to be disturbing like I do? In this situation God appears to be a sadistic monster no matter how much his behavior is explained away. I have come to the conclusion that a God who is prone to asking parents to kill their children is not a real God at all. I believe that this is additional proof that the Christian God is a manmade entity and that the writings from centuries ago reveal that God has made some improvements in his personality just as human beings have done. People don't tend to sacrifice their children in this day and age and I'm just glad I wasn't born a couple of thousand years ago. Have you noticed that God has been behaving better lately and so have human beings?
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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I'd still like to know what good comes from practicing obedience in spite of morality. I mean, aside from the obvious benefit to people who seek to control others.

It seems like the "moral" of the story is to blindly follow regardless of your morals. Isn't that just what Abraham did by disregarding everything he cared about in order to please his "master"?
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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Well, if I had abrahams faith, I would have done the same, because I would have had the faith to know that God would prepare a sacrafice in place of my son. That is what faith is all about, trusting God.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:44 PM
 
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Well, if I had abrahams faith, I would have done the same, because I would have had the faith to know that God would prepare a sacrafice in place of my son. That is what faith is all about, trusting God.
Yes me too. Like I said before Abraham knew he would return with his son, he said WE will be back, he didn't know how, but he trusted God.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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Yes me too. Like I said before Abraham knew he would return with his son, he said WE will be back, he didn't know how, but he trusted God.
Right, because it's impossible that he was lying to his son in order to easily get him up the mountain.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:49 AM
 
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Well, if I had abrahams faith, I would have done the same, because I would have had the faith to know that God would prepare a sacrafice in place of my son. That is what faith is all about, trusting God.
Because obedience is more important than your moral principles? Don't forget, it could be Satan tricking you!
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:55 AM
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BST wrote:

I think you answered my question pretty well from a Christian perspective but do you find this story to be disturbing like I do? In this situation God appears to be a sadistic monster no matter how much his behavior is explained away. I have come to the conclusion that a God who is prone to asking parents to kill their children is not a real God at all. I believe that this is additional proof that the Christian God is a manmade entity and that the writings from centuries ago reveal that God has made some improvements in his personality just as human beings have done. People don't tend to sacrifice their children in this day and age and I'm just glad I wasn't born a couple of thousand years ago. Have you noticed that God has been behaving better lately and so have human beings?
Thanks, a Christian's perspective is indeed all I have. I tend to focus on all the foreshadowing that's found in the Old Testament and relate it to the Gospel that's revealed in the New Testament.

I have to rebut your statement that God is prone to asking parents to kill their children. Apart from Abraham (whose sacrifice was aborted) and God's own offering of Jesus on the cross...who else has been commanded to kill their own child? If Abraham is the only mortal who received such a command...I think saying God is 'prone' to murdering children is a vast overstatement.

Maybe God and human beings are behaving better lately because the time for sacrificing has been fulfilled. I don't believe God has a blood lust. I believe He has a definite standard for how wrongs are to be compensated, and in the end, has a great desire for all to be reconciled.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:05 AM
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Right, because it's impossible that he was lying to his son in order to easily get him up the mountain.
LOL What do you think he would have told Sarah if he'd actually come back without Isaac? The dingoes ate your baby!

I believe the account of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is the archetypical man of faith. There are lessons there that help me find peace and serenity in troubled times.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:39 AM
 
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Thanks, a Christian's perspective is indeed all I have. I tend to focus on all the foreshadowing that's found in the Old Testament and relate it to the Gospel that's revealed in the New Testament.

I have to rebut your statement that God is prone to asking parents to kill their children. Apart from Abraham (whose sacrifice was aborted) and God's own offering of Jesus on the cross...who else has been commanded to kill their own child? If Abraham is the only mortal who received such a command...I think saying God is 'prone' to murdering children is a vast overstatement.

Maybe God and human beings are behaving better lately because the time for sacrificing has been fulfilled. I don't believe God has a blood lust. I believe He has a definite standard for how wrongs are to be compensated, and in the end, has a great desire for all to be reconciled.
How about just one:




Judges 11:29-39

29Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.
30And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,
31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
32So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
33And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.



Being omnipresent and omnipotent he would know before hand who would have came out of the house first. So he allowed this child to be murdered and burned. The blood god strikes again.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:15 AM
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Location: Powell, TN
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Good one jroyals! Look back at who struck the deal. It was Jepthah's idea, not God's. It teaches me not to bargain foolishly with God. You might lose an eye...or worse!
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