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Old 01-30-2009, 07:51 AM
 
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I believe there was a lake of fire existing in those long ago days. In fact I'm quite sure of it, but it was nothing supernatural, but a volcanic caldera full of magma....Something like that could not be understood by the nomadic goat herders of the day....So God did it!

Lake of fire.
The lake of fire Jesus was speaking about was a place where those who rejected Him would go after they died. And the Bible tells us that it would be an eternal punishment.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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That was a valiant effort, blue pacific . . . but unconvincing. The very disconcerting fact remains that our life energy, unlike the animals, has already become consciousness energy and is therefore eternal. Whatever is in the form of energy cannot be seen nor destroyed by time. In II Corinthians 4:18, Paul tells us that,

. . . The things that are seen are temporal, but the things that are not seen are eternal.


Our consciousness is unseen mental energy. It just might be the wrong type. Consequently, it is necessary to underscore the distinction between death and hell. We should note that the use of two different words to convey the ideas is not for stylistic effect. Writing was a tedious and challenging task reserved for important things. "Hell" is the end of conscious life energy that has failed to meet specifications. "Death" is the end of all other unaware life energy. They both end up in the same lake of fire, but for the conscious energy it is likely to be hell!
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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The very disconcerting fact remains that our life energy, unlike the animals, has already become consciousness energy and is therefore eternal.
I realize I'm veering off topic but what makes you believe that consciousness is eternal? I'm not aware of any evidence that would prove such a thing.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:11 AM
 
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That was a valiant effort, blue pacific . . . but unconvincing. The very disconcerting fact remains that our life energy, unlike the animals, has already become consciousness energy and is therefore eternal. Whatever is in the form of energy cannot be seen nor destroyed by time. In II Corinthians 4:18, Paul tells us that,

. . . The things that are seen are temporal, but the things that are not seen are eternal.
Ah, but in Corinthians 14:34, we are told that women must never speak in church. So what Paul says is really up to personal interpretation and a matter of context. Using the most banal methods to support false spiritual claims is old and worn out, and as meaningful in an honest debate as Paul's knowledge of the full life of Jesus, which is to say, not very. [Paul knew no details of Jesus' supposed life other than the details of his death]

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They both end up in the same lake of fire, but for the conscious energy it is likely to be hell!
That is the most ironic use of a "thoughtful" smiley face I have ever seen on any forum. LOL!

Should have made it to be read as this:
"<---Superstitious nonsensical pensive smiley"

Anyway, you sound like Tomotom Asama with your quasi-spiritual input on our "unseen mental energy" known as consciousness. It is almost too absurd to try to honestly argue over your "point".


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Our consciousness is unseen mental energy. It just might be the wrong type. Consequently, it is necessary to underscore the distinction between death and hell. We should note that the use of two different words to convey the ideas is not for stylistic effect. Writing was a tedious and challenging task reserved for important things. "Hell" is the end of conscious life energy that has failed to meet specifications. "Death" is the end of all other unaware life energy.
As for your assertion that hell is the end of conscious existence in specific cases, I know you can not back this up directly by any popular scripture.. Hell is not an established concept in the Bible, although it is frequently mentioned in the New Testament [not at all in the Old Testament].

("Sheol," the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means "grave" by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). If Hell is real therein, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and brimstone.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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God did make that warning "plain". The crux is with perception on y-our part!
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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If you even had a clue of what this place was like, you would not think of it as a joke. I pray to God you find Christ before you leave this world, because without Christ, you will soon understand that hell is a place of total horror. I have heard demons beg God not to be sent back there.
Campbell, the only reason you think you have a clue is thanks to the implementation of Hell as Church doctrine in the last few centuries. Thank Dante for his imaginative but [not Bible inspired] description of Hell as a main predecessor of the popular image of Hell. "Lake of fire" and "gnashing of teeth" in a few sporadic places in the New Testament is all you will see of a Hell in the Bible. The Old Testament does not even contain the word Hell, or mention of a judicial afterlife, torment, or eternal punishment.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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Campbell, the only reason you think you have a clue is thanks to the implementation of Hell as Church doctrine in the last few centuries. Thank Dante for his imaginative but [not Bible inspired] description of Hell as a main predecessor of the popular image of Hell. "Lake of fire" and "gnashing of teeth" in a few sporadic places in the New Testament is all you will see of a Hell in the Bible. The Old Testament does not even contain the word Hell, or mention of a judicial afterlife, torment, or eternal punishment.
Unfortunately the word Hell is given to us by the old outdated archaic english language of the century of 1611 when the translation of the Authorized King James Version was created to replace the Bishops, Geneva and a few other versions. What is fascinating about the King James is that it translates the same Hebrew word 'sheol' three different ways , grave, pit and hell. The koine Greek word for the common grave is 'hades'. The way we are able to identify it's true meaning is from the instances of where the Christian Greek Scriptures are quoting a verse of the Old Testament where 'sheol' is being used with reference to death or the dead. Both the meanings of 'sheol' & 'hades' are absolutely identical as being ONLY the common grave of mankind, and much to the great disappointment of those who relish the idea of opponents with whom they disagree with and would like to see go to such a hideous HellFire program.

Whatever the case, more than likely they won't accept the ideas presented here and most likely one of them will open another thread to present their opposing case all over again. How many threads about this very subject have been created ??? The beauty and logic on the truth of such matters cannot be drowned out by those, who like the Clergyman of centuries past who invented this belief, find it within themselves to continue on a death dealing philosophy of condemning those who don't accept their brand of belief system. Hopefully it'll all be over with one day soon.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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Thanks. Is that it or is hell mentioned elsewhere?
Hummmmm, I have thought that the name was mis-spelled by the same christers that shun science also shun english grammar and spelling. It is the lake of fire in HEEL, a small town on the shores of the afterlife. It is both salt water or fresh water depending on your tastes and all fish are caught already cleaned and cooked. The bummer is the Oysters, they are steamed as you pull them from the water, and, wouldn't ya know it, I prefer mine on the half-shell, guess that's why it is called Hell.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:55 PM
 
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MysticPhD wrote:

I realize I'm veering off topic but what makes you believe that consciousness is eternal? I'm not aware of any evidence that would prove such a thing.
Now Montana, you should know better than to expect logic or reason!!
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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That was a valiant effort, blue pacific . . . but unconvincing. The very disconcerting fact remains that our life energy, unlike the animals, has already become consciousness energy and is therefore eternal. Whatever is in the form of energy cannot be seen nor destroyed by time. In II Corinthians 4:18, Paul tells us that,

. . . The things that are seen are temporal, but the things that are not seen are eternal.


Our consciousness is unseen mental energy. It just might be the wrong type. Consequently, it is necessary to underscore the distinction between death and hell. We should note that the use of two different words to convey the ideas is not for stylistic effect. Writing was a tedious and challenging task reserved for important things. "Hell" is the end of conscious life energy that has failed to meet specifications. "Death" is the end of all other unaware life energy. They both end up in the same lake of fire, but for the conscious energy it is likely to be hell!
I'm not sure why you are referencing 2 Corinthians 4:18 here and equating it with some sort of lived on conscientiousness, since that is absolutely not what Paul was talking about here. He was obviously speaking to Christians back there on Earth who had the heavenly hope of resurrection and was encouraging them to remain focused on that hope rather than becoming distracted with the Earthly material things of the world around them.

There is no general application here of All humans on the planet going off into any 5th dimension cosmos in a type of inteligence or consciousness of some New Age belief system. Again, Paul was merely highlighting the superiority of spiritual values with their long-range rewards and shunning the short-term rewards of material world's instant gratification.

However, if that is your wish, then so be it.
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