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Old 02-14-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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Site location does not in any way confirm a miracle. Of course the story tellers will draw from their own local which is very small compared to the vast universe. I wonder why an all-knowing God failed to show these story tellers life past their own doorstep?
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Campbell you have posted this "evidence" numerous times...I do not find anything by Ron Wyatt credible.
it is also in the Quran

and the quran is only the correct holy book

no man addition or subtraction in the quran

only God word


61 And when the two bodies saw each other, the people of Moses said: "We are sure to be overtaken."

62 (Moses) said: "By no means! my Lord is with me! Soon will He guide me!"

63 Then We told Moses by inspiration: "Strike the sea with thy rod." So it divided, and each separate part became like the huge, firm mass of a mountain.

64 And We made the other party approach thither.

65 We delivered Moses and all who were with him;

66 But We drowned the others.

67 Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.

68 And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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Campbell you have posted this "evidence" numerous times...I do not find anything by Ron Wyatt credible.
Well, it appears you do not find any evidence credible no matter who presents it, especially if it confirms the Biblical account. Dr. Lennart Moller of the Karolinska Inst., is a research scientist from Sweden. He also headed up a second expedition that retraced Wyatts discoveries. And he along with members of his group confirmed Wyatts findings.
It appears you only accept science when it debunks the Bible. And it also appears you do not even need to know what discoveries were made. You simply refuse to believe anything supportive of the Biblical account, and you do this, not based on evidence presented, but your opinion only. Dr. Mollers Archaeological research has been ongoing, and Swedish backers have produce a new documentary on the discovery, called "The Exodus Case". They have also authored a book with 790 color illustrations of the discovery, and it is 448 pages long. Dr. Moller has used cutting edge science to investigate and to expose the truth of site in question. It is not just Ron Wyatt that you have turned a deaf ear to, it is other qualified scientist that have discovered evidence that refutes you personal beliefs.

The Exodus Case
http://www.leocordia.com/exodus/cont2.shtml
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, it appears you do not find any evidence credible no matter who presents it, especially if it confirms the Biblical account. Dr. Lennart Moller of the Karolinska Inst., is a research scientist from Sweden. He also headed up a second expedition that retraced Wyatts discoveries. And he along with members of his group confirmed Wyatts findings.
It appears you only accept science when it debunks the Bible. And it also appears you do not even need to know what discoveries were made. You simply refuse to believe anything supportive of the Biblical account, and you do this, not based on evidence presented, but your opinion only. Dr. Mollers Archaeological research has been ongoing, and Swedish backers have produce a new documentary on the discovery, called "The Exodus Case". They have also authored a book with 790 color illustrations of the discovery, and it is 448 pages long. Dr. Moller has used cutting edge science to investigate and to expose the truth of site in question. It is not just Ron Wyatt that you have turned a deaf ear to, it is other qualified scientist that have discovered evidence that refutes you personal beliefs.

The Exodus Case
The Exodus Case - The Exodus
Lennart Moller is a creationist and not a qualified archeologist. The site you linked to are there for the purpose of selling books etc.

In his film..... Note that Moller does not say he discovered this “gilded wheel,” nor that he saw it, photographed it, nor touched it. There is no undersea footage of the “gilded wheel” in the film but merely a digital “reconstruction” of a photograph taken by Wyatt in the 1970s. But note that although almost no coral is shown touching this bright shiny wheel, based on Wyatt's photo, still there are plenty of thick corals growing on one another and seen all over the actual seabed of the Red Sea as shown in the film.
Coral grow as well on gold as it does any hard surface....This smells, as so many of Wyatt's "discoveries" do of hoax, but his hoaxes do sell a lot of books to people like you...
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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How could the Bible be the word of God if it is filled with contridictions, unanswered and unexplained questions, unverifiable events, questionable characters and many, many other flaws?

If the the Bible is the Word of God and the Word of God is the mind of God, as Christians believe...then... God has a confused mind, full of contridiction.

How could this be?
Because the Bible is not the word of God, it is the word of only the men who wrote it.
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:16 PM
 
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Lennart Moller is a creationist and not a qualified archeologist. The site you linked to are there for the purpose of selling books etc.

In his film..... Note that Moller does not say he discovered this “gilded wheel,” nor that he saw it, photographed it, nor touched it. There is no undersea footage of the “gilded wheel” in the film but merely a digital “reconstruction” of a photograph taken by Wyatt in the 1970s. But note that although almost no coral is shown touching this bright shiny wheel, based on Wyatt's photo, still there are plenty of thick corals growing on one another and seen all over the actual seabed of the Red Sea as shown in the film.
Coral grow as well on gold as it does any hard surface....This smells, as so many of Wyatt's "discoveries" do of hoax, but his hoaxes do sell a lot of books to people like you...
I believe Moller correctly states that the subject is off-limits in academia. There has not been a real honest investigation into it. And academia tends to be biased that it didn't happen.
Without question, many qualified people have considered this site. And it would be a mistake on your part to suggest that Dr. Moller alone was the only one involved here. This site has been known for years, yet those from your side of the arguement, appear to show little interest to come and investigate. Everything to you has to be a hoax. Yet that could be proven easily, if we could only get someone from your side to investigate. Yet, it's pretty obvious to me, your group is not interested in confirming the Bible. And when others who are equally qualified step forward, all we get from you is, they are not qualified. Actually, your whole arguement rest on, we do not believe it, and no one qualified has investigated it. That's all you have. The Exodus Case has been a 10-year study, to dismiss these findings is pretty sad. And it goes a longway at showing me your biase. And many of those same qualified archeolgist, who you would say were qualified, would be the same one's who tried to debunk the belief in King David. Today, they are still wiping egg of their faces after the discovery at Tel Dan. And that discovery proved King David was a real person. And it also show me, those qualified archeologist did not know what they were talking about.
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Old 02-14-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I recommend watching the documentary film, "Banned from the Bible".
Hebrews 5:7-8 confirm Islam's claim about Jesus never got crucified and contradicts the Bible! According to the documentary film, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was. This banned part also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing. These are the parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.

Hebrews 5.7 - During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
And you believe Jesus would stand next to the cross, and laugh?
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Old 02-14-2009, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The Bible clearly shows us that (MAN & Satan) are the cause of of the evil in the world today, and in the past. Yet the God of the Bible states that near the end of time, God will bring about events that will anger the nations. God is going to once again establish His authority. The world is in the mess it is today, because man alone has been in control. That is going to change. God told us that near the time of the end, God would allow the Jewish people to return to the land of Israel. God has allowed this to happen. Yet the world is unaware, that God has just drawn His line in the sand.
Most of the anger of nations are caused by religion!
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Old 02-14-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Campbell34, I respect your belief in the Bible up to the parts of the Bible that have caused discrimination, genocide, violence, slavery, child or animal sacrifice, subordination of women, wars, and future wars.
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Old 02-15-2009, 06:23 AM
 
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Most of the anger of nations are caused by religion!
And most religions, are created by man, and not God.
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