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Old 02-05-2009, 11:01 AM
 
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Cry me a river.

So you're saying that God only created christians? He only loves cristians? Anybody who isn't a christian is foolish and ignorant??

Why is the God you believe is so loving, so hateful at the same time? Why would He create so many people and only want a select few to understand?

When you can prove to me by God Himself, that christians are the only people who deserve goodness and mercy and understanding, then I'll listen to you, but until then, ..... . Don't use anything any plain old men have written, like the bible. Use God to tell me that only christians matter and only christians understand Him and the bible is His direct word.

If you are so worthy to know all things, then prove to me through God that you are telling the truth and you are an authority to proclaim what you say is the truth only by God, not by your opinion, and not by the words of other people.

PROVE WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE USING ONLY GOD, NOT MAN AND NOT OPINION.

You can't, because what you say isn't true.

non-Christians can read and understand the text, but it's going to appear foolish to them.

That's really what this verse is saying. The text is meaningless to a non-believer...because the non-believer just doesn't care to let it affect his life.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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non-Christians can read and understand the text, but it's going to appear foolish to them.

That's really what this verse is saying. The text is meaningless to a non-believer...because the non-believer just doesn't care to let it affect his life.
LOL, that's no proof at all. Only your opinion.

So you're saying that only christians believe in God? I am here to tell you you're wrong.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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Google "Bible Contradictions" and read for yourself.
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

Obviously I don't have time to address all the 'supposed' contradtions so I will just address a few of them...

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The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created,
Actually Gen. 1 & 2 don't contradict each other if you understand that chapter 1 is speaking of the creation of the 6th day creation (male and female i.e adam without the article and means 'mankind') and Chapter 2 (which is after God rested on the 7th day) speaks of the forming (not creating-two different words with two different meanings) of 'THE man Adam, and the 'making' (again not 'creating') of Eve. Chapter one speaks of mankind which make up the 'host' of Gen 2:1, and one man (the man Adam) and one woman, Eve.

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The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones
There is no contraditon here. The two of each kind was to continue that particular species, and the seven was for sacrifice.

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The Gospels Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father
Once again if you understand what it being said in Matthew and Luke you will see there is not contradition.

The geneology in Matthew is Joseph's as the husband of Mary i.e the son-in-law of Jacob (which was Mary's father's name). Joseph's actual father was Heli as shown in Luke.

Are there other 'contradtions' you'd like to discuss?
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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Nice cut and paste job on my post to make it appear I'm saying something I'm not.

What authority? I stand on the authority of God's word. God's word is my authority and my foundation.
Prove it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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Originally Posted by stormy night View Post
Cry me a river.

So you're saying that God only created christians? He only loves cristians? Anybody who isn't a christian is foolish and ignorant??

Why is the God you believe is so loving, so hateful at the same time? Why would He create so many people and only want a select few to understand?

When you can prove to me by God Himself, that christians are the only people who deserve goodness and mercy and understanding, then I'll listen to you, but until then, ..... . Don't use anything any plain old men have written, like the bible. Use God to tell me that only christians matter and only christians understand Him and the bible is His direct word.

If you are so worthy to know all things, then prove to me through God that you are telling the truth and you are an authority to proclaim what you say is the truth only by God, not by your opinion, and not by the words of other people.

PROVE WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE USING ONLY GOD, NOT MAN AND NOT OPINION.

You can't, because what you say isn't true.
DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I did NOT say anyone who isn't a Christian is foolish or ignorant! I quoted a Bible verse that explains why you and others don't understand God and His ways. And I never said only Christians deserve goodness, mercy and understand!
I can't prove anything to you, and it's not my job to prove anything to you. God Himself can do that, if you really want to know He is real.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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A List Of Biblical Contradictions

Obviously I don't have time to address all the 'supposed' contradtions so I will just address a few of them...



Actually Gen. 1 & 2 don't contradict each other if you understand that chapter 1 is speaking of the creation of the 6th day creation (male and female i.e adam without the article and means 'mankind') and Chapter 2 (which is after God rested on the 7th day) speaks of the forming (not creating-two different words with two different meanings) of 'THE man Adam, and the 'making' (again not 'creating') of Eve. Chapter one speaks of mankind which make up the 'host' of Gen 2:1, and one man (the man Adam) and one woman, Eve.



There is no contraditon here. The two of each kind was to continue that particular species, and the seven was for sacrifice.



Once again if you understand what it being said in Matthew and Luke you will see there is not contradition.

The geneology in Matthew is Joseph's as the husband of Mary i.e the son-in-law of Jacob (which was Mary's father's name). Joseph's actual father was Heli as shown in Luke.
You can twist it any way you want to get your desired results, but the fact remains, it isn't accurate and it does contradict.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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The Bible is the word of God - without a shadow of a dobut. There is nothing in that book that can be disproved. Those that have tried - and there have been many - have failed, and some have even become so convinced that they have become christians themselves! There is a book around - called "Who moved the Stone" - read it - the guy who wrote it was anti God and thourght the same as you, but when he did his diligent research and really looked into it, he realised how accurate the Bible is. The dates, times, places - the names of Kings and Leaders - they are accurate! Archaeologists have USED the Bible - to find lost cities that were already mentioned in the Bible! Nothing in it can be disproved - on the contrary - it is proven time and time again.

There are prophecies in the Old Testament relating to the New - Jesus Christ - the place of his birth - the era. The death of Jesus and the manner of his execution - in the Old Testamnent. I have read the Bible through from cover to cover - it is not pretty - No - but it is real - real characters - people who messed up, people who failed - people who found God when they sought for him.

So you can trust the Bible. God gave us a handbook for life - and the Bible is IT. Read it with an open heart - pray and ask God to speak through this Living Word - to speak to you!

What about the Noah thing?

Im-freaking-possible.




...the "Jesus" of Nazareth thing?

Didn't exist as a city during the supposed time period.


Prophesies of the OT? When you write a narrative if supposed events you can make it fit any prophesy you wish.

Again, you fail.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I did NOT say anyone who isn't a Christian is foolish or ignorant! I quoted a Bible verse that explains why you and others don't understand God and His ways. And I never said only Christians deserve goodness, mercy and understand!
I can't prove anything to you, and it's not my job to prove anything to you. God Himself can do that, if you really want to know He is real.
My, we get defensive when we're called out, don't we. All I ask is that you prove what you say is right.

And I did not put words in your mouth. That's exactly what you said.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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My, we get defensive when we're called out, don't we. All I ask is that you prove what you say is right.

And I did not put words in your mouth. That's exactly what you said.
No I get defensive when people say I said things that I clearly did NOT say.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:16 AM
 
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[quote=I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA;7327758]1 Cor 2:14 "But people who aren't Christians can't understand these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them because only those have the Spirit can understand what the Spirit means. We who have the Spirit understand these things, but others can't understand us at all".[/quote]



This is your post, no?

It clearly says that people who aren't christians are ignorant and foolish.
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