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Old 02-06-2009, 06:30 AM
 
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We are at the part of settling "God did it" theory -- that's the thread all about. We have not gotten to the part what science has to say about it, and what length humans have gone to search for answers.

On that, if science has not found a perfect answer (as it never did) yet, do you agree that everyone should be happy with an alternative answer such as "God did it"?
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:07 AM
 
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We are at the part of settling "God did it" theory -- that's the thread all about. We have not gotten to the part what science has to say about it, and what length humans have gone to search for answers.

On that, if science has not found a perfect answer (as it never did) yet, do you agree that everyone should be happy with an alternative answer such as "God did it"?
I'm just happy with saying "we don't know yet"
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:27 AM
 
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We are at the part of settling "God did it" theory -- that's the thread all about. We have not gotten to the part what science has to say about it, and what length humans have gone to search for answers.

On that, if science has not found a perfect answer (as it never did) yet, do you agree that everyone should be happy with an alternative answer such as "God did it"?

i appreciate the thought conveyed in your post, dfw123, it begs the question:

has science just taken over authority from god or some absolutist monarch, and "we the people" need to wait for some breadcrumbs to fall from the right tables on our minds thus conditioned?

intellect seems to have become a luxury far removed from a wholesome state of mind altogether.

social intelligence seems to have disappeared from the agenda of the civilized world.
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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If the whole theory is: "God did it", that's not much of a theory.

(right, forgot to ask the question: what's there to it?)

It's no less valid than "mutations did it".
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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It's no less valid than "mutations did it".
Do you deny that random mutations happen? Or that they can be benefitial?
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Do you deny that random mutations happen? Or that they can be benefitial?

Nope. But I don't believe that they will change a species over time to the point that evolution says they will.

Then, there's the fact that the fossil "record" is woefully inadequate to validate the theory.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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Nope. But I don't believe that they will change a species over time to the point that evolution says they will.
Well that's where we differ. If these little changes go on and on then I don't see why these changes wouldn't add up to a substancial change after millions of years.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:58 PM
 
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I don't see how complex things like the human eye could have evolved. It's too complex. It's too big of a jump to go from nothing, to even simple eyes, to what we see now.

The fossil record also does not support the ideas of evolution between species. We see fully formed species in the fossil record...but not much in between.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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I don't see how complex things like the human eye could have evolved. It's too complex. It's too big of a jump to go from nothing, to even simple eyes, to what we see now.
So when you say "I don't see how it could have happened, it's too complex" we're supposed to accept that as a logical excuse for your beliefs, but when WE say "I don't see how god could have happened, there's no facts to support it" we're just not seeing the truth?

Methinks thou art contradicting thyself.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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So when you say "I don't see how it could have happened, it's too complex" we're supposed to accept that as a logical excuse for your beliefs, but when WE say "I don't see how god could have happened, there's no facts to support it" we're just not seeing the truth?

Methinks thou art contradicting thyself.

You have the right to be wrong.

Seriously...if we look at arguments like the cosmological or the TAG argument, they certainly point to the idea of a creator. On the other hand, evolution doesn't account for some very basic things, such as the beginning of time.
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