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Old 02-06-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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I thought church is a God's organization, and God can do anything.

It looks like people who have lots "sins" have to pay. Where's the money "savior" (not to be confused with "savor")?

maybe hands are shaking
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: southern california
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I thought church is a God's organization, and God can do anything.

It looks like people who have lots "sins" have to pay. Where's the money "savior" (not to be confused with "savor")?
they are gods church to the extent that they act that way.
when we deny god, by our actions and behavior he denies us.
but for the christian in rebellion sin is not a joke he is tormented by it 24/7. but for the true atheist or non christian religious this is not so.
the tyrant in our consciousness is not god, but our own thinking.
our own core values those we learned and accepted in formative years and beyond torment us if we do not obey them.
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:10 PM
 
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they are gods church to the extent that they act that way.
when we deny god, by our actions and behavior he denies us.
but for the christian in rebellion sin is not a joke he is tormented by it 24/7. but for the true atheist or non christian religious this is not so.
the tyrant in our consciousness is not god, but our own thinking.
our own core values those we learned and accepted in formative years and beyond torment us if we do not obey them.

not so.

cannot!
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Thumbs down Interesting what I found for 24-7, in Luke and Matthew.

It turns out that in Luke I find it is the very phrase of the after-three-day resurrection, it is scriptured that the son of Man is handed over to sinners for the realization of the missing Christ. That was already thought for the written Word. Who knows who's dead: in Matthew it was said that nation will go against nation, governments will change hundred fold over, but the expectation that Christ resurrected man will remain for FOLLY OR TRUTH. Of course this is some New American bible.

Money becomes the baseless for the systemic racist had. For resurrection sometimes the Walls of the church will suffice.
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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The creator of universe can not create any money ?!

I know followers spend a lot of money on religion though.
Ugh, here we go again. WHY won't people research this before they make such comments? If they did, they'd find the churches records of where the money goes is a matter of public record, just ask. It supports the church's mortgage, maintenance, utilities, insurance, people in need, the ministry, the pastor who works it as a regular job.... Oh yeah, I forgot, so many are against a pastor making a living with the gifts (of the spirit) God has given him. Well God said he wants all to prosper. He didn't say all but those who minister to others.
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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Oprah said:


"Bless me into USEFULNESS!" (caps mine)
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Ugh, here we go again. WHY won't people research this before they make such comments? If they did, they'd find the churches records of where the money goes is a matter of public record, just ask. It supports the church's mortgage, maintenance, utilities, insurance, people in need, the ministry, the pastor who works it as a regular job.... Oh yeah, I forgot, so many are against a pastor making a living with the gifts (of the spirit) God has given him. Well God said he wants all to prosper. He didn't say all but those who minister to others.
What do you think about the mega-church in Overland Park, Ks who provide their pastor a Mercedes?
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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The creator of universe can not create any money ?!

I know followers spend a lot of money on religion though.
God doesn't need money. The church does. And yes, God expects church members to support their church.
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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The creator of universe can not create any money ?!
Only government can create money

Seriously, the flaw in your question lies within the idea that God should directly interfere in human day to day activities. Why doesnt He create money? Why doesnt He give poor people food and shelter and clothing?

Well, if that were the case we would be back in the Garden of Eden, wouldnt we ...

We were kicked out of the Garden, and it has been up to us to find our own way ever since.
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Old 07-25-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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We were kicked out of the Garden, and it has been up to us to find our own way ever since.
More like those who actually believe that story were kicked out of reality.
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