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Old 04-03-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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I'm sorry but I've gone and done it again. First off, check out this link to a Dutch creationist site:

You'll notice that they've built an attractive looking ark complete with models of animals. Now take a look at the base of this boat and see what's really keeping it from sinking. Well, isn't that interesting, it appears to be perched on a metal base. It also states that modern tools were used to build this replica and it's made from cedar and pine although no one seems to know what the original was made of and it's described as gopher wood in the Bible, whatever that is.
Ok, this thing wouldn't last for five minutes under a deluge of rain on the high seas but at least they were able to construct a wooden vessel (well, mostly wood) so where did Noah come up with the huge wooden beams that would be necessary to build such a vessel? I don't think that the Bible suggests that Noah was a resident of the Pacific Northwest or some other location in which tall trees are common. We always think of the Middle East as the location in which biblical events took place and of course Noah's Ark is supposed to be waiting to be discovered on Mt. Ararat and that's where the Bible says it is. Just one problem, there's no forests of mighty trees in that part of the world and in fact most of the Middle East is so barren of vegetation that a grasshopper would have to pack a lunch. So does anyone have any suggestions that could explain this dilema and how a six hundred year old boat builder was able to obtain the materials necessary to build this sea going vessel?
It has been calculated that only a vessel made of metal would be big enough and strong enough to hold the animals and their food supply. The numbers of species is staggering. Just think of how many types of cats there are. If made of wood, would need metal fasteners, at a minimum.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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It has been calculated that only a vessel made of metal would be big enough and strong enough to hold the animals and their food supply. The numbers of species is staggering. Just think of how many types of cats there are. If made of wood, would need metal fasteners, at a minimum.
And you'd need a full complement of staff, not just te Noah family. Speaking of which, I did like the replica. It would make a great restaurant (manfully resists the mention of freeze - dried foods...) which I'd visit provided the profits didn't go to the Creation museum or NAMI and they didn't hand out Jack Chick tracts or ask me to pray before the soup...
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:10 AM
 
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I don't know about the kinds of wood, or anything of that sort, but I just wanted to interject one thing here.

I believe the world was created, but I do not believe the earth is only six thousand years old. I believe it was created 6,000 years ago, but that God could have created it however old He wanted it to be. Just like with Adam, he wasn't a newborn when he was created, he was a full grown man...so why can't the earth have been created the same?

Just my 2c.
I would hazard a guess and say you've never picked up a science text book.

P.S. I guess god zapped the ancient Egyptian civilization into being.

You people need to get your heads out of your bibles and try thinking for yourselves. As hard as you may find it.
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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Where Did Noah Get The Lumber To Build The Ark?
He got his lumber from the forests. I don't think they had Home Depot back then. I hope you are not intimating they didn't have forests prior to the world-wide flood.
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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It has been calculated that only a vessel made of metal would be big enough and strong enough to hold the animals and their food supply. The numbers of species is staggering. Just think of how many types of cats there are. If made of wood, would need metal fasteners, at a minimum.
It certainly was doable and was successful at what Noah did in building the ark to survive the world-wide flood of his day.

Noah didn't need to collect every different type of cat or dog.

He would not necessarily need metal fasteners. I lived in a post and beam home on a farm and the beams came from the 1800's. It was mortise and tenoned together with wooden dowels. It is still standing today and in fact we have our offices in it. The barns built around the early 1800's here too were mortise and tenoned without any metal fasteners and they are still standing.
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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It certainly was doable and was successful at what Noah did in building the ark to survive the world-wide flood of his day.
Your best bet: "God did it"

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Noah didn't need to collect every different type of cat or dog.
Why not?
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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He got his lumber from the forests. I don't think they had Home Depot back then. I hope you are not intimating they didn't have forests prior to the world-wide flood.
There was no flood. Regardless, there were also no forests to get that amount of lumber from in that region at that time. And getting the required amount of lumber would require a larger workforce than building a ship not even as large as the mythical ark itself.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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There was no flood. Regardless, there were also no forests to get that amount of lumber from in that region at that time. And getting the required amount of lumber would require a larger workforce than building a ship not even as large as the mythical ark itself.
But, its printed in the Bible... it can't be a myth or a case of massive exaggeration!
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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But, its printed in the Bible... it can't be a myth or a case of massive exaggeration!
Who said?
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Wait just a doggone minute here..15 cubits is less than 23 feet! The mountains must have been pretty small in those days....No wait it is just another bible contradiction, right?)

7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. (Wouldn't "every living substance" have included plants?)

7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.
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