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Old 04-03-2012, 12:15 PM
 
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Einstein's Ghost had it right, massive exaggeration.

Then again, fairy tales are limited only by the imagination of the author.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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There was no flood.
There was a world-wide flood.

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Regardless, there were also no forests to get that amount of lumber from in that region at that time.
Of course there were HUGE forests all around that area at that time.

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And getting the required amount of lumber would require a larger workforce than building a ship not even as large as the mythical ark itself.
Here is a simple formula even school kids should know:



"Multiplication [of humans] was probably more rapid than assumed in this calculation, especially in the earliest centuries of the antediluvian epoch. For example, if the average family size were 8, instead of 6, and the length of a generation 93 years, instead of 100, the population at the time of Adam's death, 930 years after his creation, would already have been 2,800,000. At these rates, the population at the time of the Deluge would have been 137 billion! Even if we use rates appropriate for the present world (x = 1 and C = 1.5), over 3 billion people could easily have been on the earth at the time of Noah." World Population Since Creation

He had over 3 billion people to choose from to help him build the ark. Since the ark was built, he obviously had the forests to get the required wood for it and he obviously had the required work force to build it. It only took a hundred years to build. If there was just one continent back then called Pangea, Noah could have had forestry experts go to what is now the High Sierras where the giant red woods are and get wood for the ark and transport it to where the ark was constructed. If you ask, "How did they transport those huge beams thousands of miles" you may as well ask, "How did they transport blocks of stone this huge?":



This hewn stone is over 70 feet long and estimated at 1,000 tons.

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Old 04-03-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Wait just a doggone minute here..15 cubits is less than 23 feet! The mountains must have been pretty small in those days....No wait it is just another bible contradiction, right?)
Can't you think? If the highest mountains on the earth in Noah's day were 300 feet high and the water was fifteen cubits above the mountains then the water would be at a height of 322 feet and so the mountains would be covered with 22 feet of water.

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7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. (Wouldn't "every living substance" have included plants?)

7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.
Gen 7:23 And wiped off is every risen thing which was on the surface of all the ground, from human to beast, from moving animal to the flyer of the heavens. And being wiped are they from the earth. Yea, only Noah is remaining, and what is with him in the ark.

Every risen thing = every human, every beast, from moving animal to the flyer of the heavens. It would not include all plant life because after the flood Noah let the dove fly and it came back with an olive leaf.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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There was a world-wide flood.

Of course there were HUGE forests all around that area at that time.




Here is a simple formula even school kids should know:



"Multiplication was probably more rapid than assumed in this calculation, especially in the earliest centuries of the antediluvian epoch. For example, if the average family size were 8, instead of 6, and the length of a generation 93 years, instead of 100, the population at the time of Adam's death, 930 years after his creation, would already have been 2,800,000. At these rates, the population at the time of the Deluge would have been 137 billion! Even if we use rates appropriate for the present world (x = 1 and C = 1.5), over 3 billion people could easily have been on the earth at the time of Noah." World Population Since Creation

He had over 3 billion people to choose from to help him build the ark. Since the ark was built, he obviously had the forests to get the required wood for it and he obviously had the required work force to build it. It only took a hundred years to build.
Where on earth do you get your information? In 1940, the year I was born the world population was 2,216,000,000....It wasn't until after 1960 that the population reached 3 billion.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Can't you think? If the highest mountains on the earth in Noah's day were 300 feet high and the water was fifteen cubits above the mountains then the water would be at a height of 322 feet and so the mountains would be covered with 22 feet of water.

Gen 7:23 And wiped off is every risen thing which was on the surface of all the ground, from human to beast, from moving animal to the flyer of the heavens. And being wiped are they from the earth. Yea, only Noah is remaining, and what is with him in the ark.

Every risen thing = every human, every beast, from moving animal to the flyer of the heavens. It would not include all plant life because after the flood Noah let the dove fly and it came back with an olive leaf.
I'm not the one with a thinking problem bubba...
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Where on earth do you get your information? In 1940, the year I was born the world population was 2,216,000,000....It wasn't until after 1960 that the population reached 3 billion.
Can't you read? World Population Since Creation

That is where I got my information

Around the year 630 A.D. the world's population centers world-wide were wiped out. Hardly anyone could grow crops for 10 years. Then in the "dark ages" there were other wipe outs, not to mention wars etc.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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I'm not the one with a thinking problem bubba...
The shoe obviously fits your foot.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Can't you read? World Population Since Creation

That is where I got my information

Around the year 630 A.D. the world's population centers world-wide were wiped out. Hardly anyone could grow crops for 10 years. Then in the "dark ages" there were other wipe outs, not to mention wars etc.
Oh ya, a make it up as you need it bull crap site....I'm not into make believe and prefer REAL information.. World Population Growth History Chart
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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I'm sorry but I've gone and done it again. First off, check out this link to a Dutch creationist site:

You'll notice that they've built an attractive looking ark complete with models of animals. Now take a look at the base of this boat and see what's really keeping it from sinking. Well, isn't that interesting, it appears to be perched on a metal base. It also states that modern tools were used to build this replica and it's made from cedar and pine although no one seems to know what the original was made of and it's described as gopher wood in the Bible, whatever that is.
Ok, this thing wouldn't last for five minutes under a deluge of rain on the high seas but at least they were able to construct a wooden vessel (well, mostly wood) so where did Noah come up with the huge wooden beams that would be necessary to build such a vessel? I don't think that the Bible suggests that Noah was a resident of the Pacific Northwest or some other location in which tall trees are common. We always think of the Middle East as the location in which biblical events took place and of course Noah's Ark is supposed to be waiting to be discovered on Mt. Ararat and that's where the Bible says it is. Just one problem, there's no forests of mighty trees in that part of the world and in fact most of the Middle East is so barren of vegetation that a grasshopper would have to pack a lunch. So does anyone have any suggestions that could explain this dilema and how a six hundred year old boat builder was able to obtain the materials necessary to build this sea going vessel?
Three points.
1: The bible does not mention what environment Noah was in.
2: Noah and his family had 100 years to build an ark.
3: They also had God in their side.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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Oh ya, a make it up as you need it bull crap site....I'm not into make believe and prefer REAL information.. World Population Growth History Chart
Your link at the top states:

"Approximately 6% of all those people are alive today."

That's interesting. I wonder if that includes those who lived from 10,000 B.C.
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