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Old 04-03-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Three points.
1: The bible does not mention what environment Noah was in.
2: Noah and his family had 100 years to build an ark.
3: They also had God in their side.
AKA "Allah Did It".
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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AKA "Allah Did It".
"Alla" is a form of the Hebrew "Eloah" and so you are correct. God certainly gave Noah the wisdom but God did not cut the wood for him or build the ark for him.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Your link at the top states:

"Approximately 6% of all those people are alive today."

That's interesting. I wonder if that includes those who lived from 10,000 B.C.
The chart records world population from 10,000 BC until 2005 and the total number who have lived in that time is 110 billion...6% of 110 billion is 6.6 billion, the population in 2005...
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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"Alla" is a form of the Hebrew "Eloah" and so you are correct. God certainly gave Noah the wisdom but God did not cut the wood for him or build the ark for him.
Why not? And you didn't answer an earlier question... why not all varieties of cat?
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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Because God wanted Noah to experience what he was supposed to experience.

Because it took 7 pairs of the cats of Noah's day from which all cats today can trace their ancestory to.

There are 41 known species of felids in the world today, which have all descended from the same ancestor.[1]

Traditionally, five subfamilies have been distinguished within family Felidae based on phenotypical features: the Felinae, the Pantherinae, the Acinonychinae (Cheetahs), the extinct Machairodontinae, and the extinct Proailurinae.[2]

Felidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. ^ a b c d e Wozencraft, W. Christopher (16 November 2005). "Order Carnivora (pp. 532-628)". In Wilson, Don E., and Reeder, DeeAnn M., eds. Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2 vols. (2142 pp.). pp. 532–548. ISBN 978-0-8018-8221-0. OCLC 62265494.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:45 PM
 
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Because God wanted Noah to experience what he was supposed to experience.

Because it took 7 pairs of the cats of Noah's day from which all cats today can trace their ancestory to.

There are 41 known species of felids in the world today, which have all descended from the same ancestor.[1]

Traditionally, five subfamilies have been distinguished within family Felidae based on phenotypical features: the Felinae, the Pantherinae, the Acinonychinae (Cheetahs), the extinct Machairodontinae, and the extinct Proailurinae.[2]

Felidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. ^ a b c d e Wozencraft, W. Christopher (16 November 2005). "Order Carnivora (pp. 532-628)". In Wilson, Don E., and Reeder, DeeAnn M., eds. Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2 vols. (2142 pp.). pp. 532–548. ISBN 978-0-8018-8221-0. OCLC 62265494.
Dramatic! Or, as I have said before: God love drama! Now we know where TNT gets its slogan from.

So, you do believe in some form of evolution, from one variety of cat to many. That is a good start. So, why did God go through the trouble?
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Suspend your disbelief for a moment and consider that the species of trees used to build the ark were destroyed by the global flood, and as the earth dried, there were climatological changes that prevented them from coming back.
Then where are the remnant stump forets. We even have those following Mt. St. Helens' eruption, where the trees were literally explosively ripped off their bases with a good stump trace of where the prior vegetation used to be located. How about the trees they didn't need and therefore did not harvest, which thus should have left something looking like a forest behind, do you not think? (There's that key word again: THINK... sigh...). We also have them on outlying islands near Krakatoa.

But near Ararat? What, do those flood waters arise so viciously that they not only ripped out each and every stump after they had been harvested (with, no doubt, Husqvarna Pro-Level chain saws and gthe necessary hyro-carbon fuel sources, sharpening files and 2-cycle oil?)...)

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He got his lumber from the forests. I don't think they had Home Depot back then. I hope you are not intimating they didn't have forests prior to the world-wide flood.
Yup. In the area where he built his Ark, there were no forests. Take it from me, Eusebius. After all, we're certainly not going to take it from you, since you've proven your intellectual honesty, integrity and reliability in denying such matters of established fact.

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It certainly was doable and was successful at what Noah did in building the ark to survive the world-wide flood of his day.

Noah didn't need to collect every different type of cat or dog.
Oh? Why not? How did we then arrive at the current (and constantly expanding) number of species alive today, or that have gone extinct?

Remember now: There's No Fantasy Evolvin' Goin' on Rouhn' Heah!"

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He would not necessarily need metal fasteners. I lived in a post and beam home on a farm and the beams came from the 1800's. It was mortise and tenoned together with wooden dowels. It is still standing today and in fact we have our offices in it. The barns built around the early 1800's here too were mortise and tenoned without any metal fasteners and they are still standing.
And far as I can tell, such permanent structures, in place and pinned with bolts onto a concrete foundation, which is itself attached to the solid earth, don't experience violent multi-tonne wide-surface area slamming impacts for hour after day after week after month after year. Now do they? Answer that one please, Eusebius!

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Maybe he had THIS!...

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What average wave impact does to a welded steel-hulled ship with multiple stringer enforcements! "Ouch! Pass the Pitch, boys, all 2 of you!":

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(PS: you still have not commented on my picture of that oceanic freighter awash with mega-tones of surging green water overflow as the sailors call it...)

Noting as well that the local barns and post & beam houses around my little agricultural valley, the ones built more than 40 - 60 years ago, all have guy-lines attached simply to withstand the relatively gentle (>> 75 -90 mph in the late spring, typically, for a few weeks at a time!) winds our valley is so famous for. And even at that, many of them have succumbed to that relentless force.

So again, how did an oversized, overloaded, un-steerable, unpowered and inherently unstable "pencil box shape" have any real chance of withstanding a year's worth of such impacts, especially when it was made out of 3 foot long, but intertwined pieces of (<ahem... snort.... cough...>) gopher wood (so called because someone was always calling out, in total terror,

"Quick! Anyone! Anyone! gopher some more of this fragile gopher wood! Oh and another pot full of warmed pitch! Quickly now, or we're all doomed!")

Your masses of biased assumptions are showing again, Eusebius. No prevailing factual documentation, just a lot of contradictions coupled with revisionist and denialist approaches to the facts of life And finished off with absolutely incorrect lies that, for example. "There's not one single shred of evidence for Evolution!"

Righteeohhh... and....

Typical!
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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AKA "Allah Did It".
I don't get it. If there was a good, and he wanted to kill everyone except Noah et al, why didn't he just twinkle his nose like Jeanie or Genie, and poof them all to hell, or heck, or wherever. Why the big, human-like, limited horizons idea of a flood?

Does no make sense.

It's like why did god send jesus to save humanity from himself. Just stop yourself from condemning them to hell, and poof hell into oblivion - problem solved.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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I would hazard a guess and say you've never picked up a science text book.

P.S. I guess god zapped the ancient Egyptian civilization into being.

You people need to get your heads out of your bibles and try thinking for yourselves. As hard as you may find it.
Beatles song, Think for Yourself if you can little girl.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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AKA "Allah Did It".
This OP is trying to prove internal inconsistency within Christian doctrine. God is part of Christian doctrine and could have helped out.

Sure the Ark thing has no evidence but it is not internally inconsistent, at least when we consider the lumber.
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