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Old 04-03-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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Hello? Hasn't anyone ever heard of The Home Depot? Gosh! Do I have to do all y'alls thinking for ya?!?!?
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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Shalom
it's very possible that the term "gopher wood" is a direct reference to
arboreal lycopods. If one wants a ship to simply float in the water, then a ship made from the woods of a floating forest makes perfect sense.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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Did noah have life rafts?
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:44 AM
 
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Shalom
it's very possible that the term "gopher wood" is a direct reference to
arboreal lycopods. If one wants a ship to simply float in the water, then a ship made from the woods of a floating forest makes perfect sense.
yellowwood [ˈjɛləʊˌwʊd]n1. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Plants) Also called (US) gopherwood any of several leguminous trees of the genus Cladrastis, esp C. lutea, of the southeastern US, having clusters of white flowers and yellow wood yielding a yellow dye.

Actually, that sounds like a term coined in the US for a native tree, rather than being linked to any tree name in the bible. Care to explain how you reckon it's the same tree as Noah used? In fact, I don't see the availability of wood being a problem - in fact the one factor in the Ark story that isn't.

I don't follow your argument about using wood of a 'floating forest' to make something that floats. It doesn't seem to make any sense. What is a 'floating forest' and what is the link with either gopher-wood or yellowwood?
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:12 AM
 
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This OP is trying to prove internal inconsistency within Christian doctrine. God is part of Christian doctrine and could have helped out.

Sure the Ark thing has no evidence but it is not internally inconsistent, at least when we consider the lumber.
Don't forget hammer, level, drill, drill bits and nails!

I mean, why not go ahead and build a similar ark to prove to the world that Judaism, Islam and Christianity has it right... that Noah did build an ark to specs and could fit every species there is to save and devour.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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I'm sorry but I've gone and done it again. First off, check out this link to a Dutch creationist site:

You'll notice that they've built an attractive looking ark complete with models of animals. Now take a look at the base of this boat and see what's really keeping it from sinking. Well, isn't that interesting, it appears to be perched on a metal base. It also states that modern tools were used to build this replica and it's made from cedar and pine although no one seems to know what the original was made of and it's described as gopher wood in the Bible, whatever that is.
Ok, this thing wouldn't last for five minutes under a deluge of rain on the high seas but at least they were able to construct a wooden vessel (well, mostly wood) so where did Noah come up with the huge wooden beams that would be necessary to build such a vessel? I don't think that the Bible suggests that Noah was a resident of the Pacific Northwest or some other location in which tall trees are common. We always think of the Middle East as the location in which biblical events took place and of course Noah's Ark is supposed to be waiting to be discovered on Mt. Ararat and that's where the Bible says it is. Just one problem, there's no forests of mighty trees in that part of the world and in fact most of the Middle East is so barren of vegetation that a grasshopper would have to pack a lunch. So does anyone have any suggestions that could explain this dilema and how a six hundred year old boat builder was able to obtain the materials necessary to build this sea going vessel?
Home Depot?
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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I don't get it.
Obviously.

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If there was a god, and he wanted to kill everyone except Noah et al, why didn't he just twinkle his nose like Jeanie or Genie, and poof them all to hell, or heck, or wherever. Why the big, human-like, limited horizons idea of a flood?
He did it His way because that was the wisest way. Of course He could have just spoken the word and they'd all have died. But the lesson would not have been learned for those who died by drowning and Noah and family would not have learned the lessons they needed to learn in reliance upon God. God was patient with humanity 100 years prior to the flood. Noah, the Bible says, was a preacher of righteousness. Some might say Noah's ministry to mankind was a failure. All he got into the ark were his family and animals. But in actuality it was a success at showing the true dark heart of humanity. They needed to see that too.


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It's like why did god send jesus to save humanity from himself. Just stop yourself from condemning them to hell, and poof hell into oblivion - problem solved.
God didn't send Jesus to save humanity from Himself. God sent Jesus to save humanity from sin and death. All mankind eventually will be saved (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Cor.15:22-28; Col.1:20) to name a few.

"Hell" or more properly "The Lake of Fire" which is the second death will be abolished at the end of the ages.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Don't forget hammer, level, drill, drill bits and nails!

I mean, why not go ahead and build a similar ark to prove to the world that Judaism, Islam and Christianity has it right... that Noah did build an ark to specs and could fit every species there is to save and devour.
You'd have to build it properly just like Noah did. To do that, you need to get up on the mountains of Ararat and do measurements and figure out how he did it.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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You'd have to build it properly just like Noah did. To do that, you need to get up on the mountains of Ararat and do measurements and figure out how he did it.
Yeah, and how did he do it? No historical record of that, would be a safe bet as is the case with the rest of them?

BTW, nobody told me before that a meter would be different on top of Mt Everest than at Mariana Trench.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:33 PM
 
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Obviously.

He did it His way because that was the wisest way. Of course He could have just spoken the word and they'd all have died. But the lesson would not have been learned for those who died by drowning and Noah and family would not have learned the lessons they needed to learn in reliance upon God. God was patient with humanity 100 years prior to the flood. Noah, the Bible says, was a preacher of righteousness. Some might say Noah's ministry to mankind was a failure. All he got into the ark were his family and animals. But in actuality it was a success at showing the true dark heart of humanity. They needed to see that too.


God didn't send Jesus to save humanity from Himself. God sent Jesus to save humanity from sin and death. All mankind eventually will be saved (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Cor.15:22-28; Col.1:20) to name a few.

"Hell" or more properly "The Lake of Fire" which is the second death will be abolished at the end of the ages.
Your god is one evil SOB. Good thing it doesn't exist.

Why did god invent sin and death, and when you say "saved", what are you being saved from?
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