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Old 02-16-2009, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Brussels, Belgium
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When push came to shove, he was willing to suggest that life on earth started because some benevolent alien life form came from Mars to start it here. Sounds like a god to me.

At least that's what he told Ben Stein.
I'm sure Ben Stein accurately conveyed Dawkin's meaning, and that his painful misquoting of Darwin was but an isolated accident.But Dawkins says a few words about aliens in The God Delusion which make his position clear.
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In what sense, then, would [high-tech aliens] not be gods? In what sense would they be superhuman but not supernatural? In a very important sense, which goes to the heart of this book. The crucial difference between gods and god-like extraterrestrials lies not in their properties but in their provenance. Entities that are complex enough to be intelligent are products of an evolutionary process. No matter how god-like they may seem when we encounter them, they didn't start that way.
Also note the difference between entertaining a possibility (Dawkins and aliens) and being absolutely convinced of it (believers and God).
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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When push came to shove, he was willing to suggest that life on earth started because some benevolent alien life form came from Mars to start it here. Sounds like a god to me.

At least that's what he told Ben Stein.
That hypothesis is called panspermia, it's one of many hypothesis that attempt to explain how life came about. Some very advanced beings from somewhere could have planted the first forms of life here on earth billions of years ago.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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Richard Dawkins has clay feet. His militant atheism, and his arrogance, are universally acknowledged. You should try reading the publications that pull his arguments to shreds. Unfortunately they never receive the publicity that is afforded to Dawkins.
Interesting how you don't list any of them or give any links.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Interesting how you don't list any of them or give any links.
Mainly because they are not credible.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:21 PM
 
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I'm sure Ben Stein accurately conveyed Dawkin's meaning, and that his painful misquoting of Darwin was but an isolated accident.But Dawkins says a few words about aliens in The God Delusion which make his position clear.
Rent the DVD. It's worth the price of the rental to see Dawkins backpedal and look like an idiot near the end of the movie.

He's really not a great philosopher. He might be an intelligent guy...but he's out of his league when it comes to philosophy.
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Also note the difference between entertaining a possibility (Dawkins and aliens) and being absolutely convinced of it (believers and God).
yet, Dawkins feels the need to assert that there positively is no God, and believers are delusional for believing in one. But he "entertains" the idea in the interview.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Why is it that religious defenders will attack the author of a theory as a person and not the theory they developed? Its happening here about Dawkins and also over on the thread about Darwin. Man is fallable, so don't try and prove a theory wrong simply by pointing to perceived character flaws, I want people to argue based on personal opinions about the theories themselves, not their authors. But like the Rolling Stones said: You can't always get what you want.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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Why is it that religious defenders will attack the author of a theory as a person and not the theory they developed? Its happening here about Dawkins and also over on the thread about Darwin. Man is fallable, so don't try and prove a theory wrong simply by pointing to perceived character flaws, I want people to argue based on personal opinions about the theories themselves, not their authors. But like the Rolling Stones said: You can't always get what you want.

I'm attempting to discredit dawkins. He's a bright guy, but not a great philosopher. He has zero theological training. He's just out of his league.

He has also backtracked on his theories regarding God in his interview with Ben Stein.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:27 PM
 
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Dawkins feels the need to assert that there positively is no God, and believers are delusional for believing in one. But he "entertains" the idea in the interview.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Dawkins always classifies himself as a de facto atheist. He is not 100% sure that there isn't a god but find the idea incredibly unlikely.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. Dawkins always classifies himself as a de facto atheist. He is not 100% sure that there isn't a god but find the idea incredibly unlikely.

whatever.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I'm attempting to discredit dawkins. He's a bright guy, but not a great philosopher. He has zero theological training. He's just out of his league.

He has also backtracked on his theories regarding God in his interview with Ben Stein.
Discrediting the individual does not discredit the idea, and is a perfect demonstration of the logical falicy Ad Hominem.

Come on kdbrich, you can do better.
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