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Old 02-16-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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Of what use is that if you don't even bother to define god.
Since we have no way to know what the correct definition is . . . all that does is create confusion and dissension. Science should stop trying to push their definition of God (as Nature) on everyone else AS IF there were some scientific basis for it. Sorry . . . "It just is" is no explanation. Everything just follows laws the "just are" and processes that "just are" . . . is no explanation.Stop kidding yourselves and own up to our ignorance and say we don't know. Making your ignorance definition the default AS IF it were scientific is very unscientific.
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Now showing that it is possible for life to come about by itself under the right conditions is awesome. More reason to believe that Atheists are right.
"Come about by itself" makes sense to you on some level, clearly . . . but it is a preposterous non-explanation.
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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Since we have no way to know what the correct definition is . . . all that does is create confusion and dissension.
There is no correct definition for god. That is why no solution exists that would correct the confusion.

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Science should stop trying to push their definition of God (as Nature)
Of what use is it to worship nature by calling it god?

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"Come about by itself" makes sense to you on some level, clearly . . . but it is a preposterous non-explanation.
How exactly would you describe the process of something happening without any input?
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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Of what use is it to worship nature by calling it god?
Who said anything about worship. Stop attributing various definitions and descriptions of others as the basis for rejection and accepting yours.
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How exactly would you describe the process of something happening without any input?
::sigh::How would you define "without any input?"
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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Who said anything about worship. Stop attributing various definitions and descriptions of others as the basis for rejection and accepting yours.
You mean there is no inherent reason as to why call nature god? Just preference.
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::sigh::How would you define "without any input?"
Non-human as a start. What are you getting at?
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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You mean there is no inherent reason as to why call nature god? Just preference.
It is purely preference based on the enmity produced by the schism between science and religion due to the authoritarian abuses of religion in the past. Nature is every bit a God to us as any other God . . . tried to violate any of its laws lately?
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Non-human as a start. What are you getting at?
Utterly impossible. How many "spontaneous" (just come into being) experiments are you aware of?

Scientists finally tell God they are able to create life and propose to show Him. They begin to take some dirt and God says . . ."Wait a minute . . . get your own dirt!"
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:50 PM
 
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It is purely preference based on the enmity produced by the schism between science and religion due to the authoritarian abuses of religion in the past.
You haven't answered my question: Why call nature god?
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Nature is every bit a God to us as any other God . . . tried to violate any of its laws lately?
Nope, god is not defined remember.

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Utterly impossible. How many "spontaneous" (just come into being) experiments are you aware of?
Dunno, how often are conditions right for life to happen? How many billions of years have we been around to observe such events?

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Scientists finally tell God they are able to create life and propose to show Him. They begin to take some dirt and God says . . ."Wait a minute . . . get your own dirt!"
God doesn't talk, heck we haven't even defined god.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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You haven't answered my question: Why call nature god?
Why call God nature?
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Nope, god is not defined remember.
Neither is nature since they are identical.
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Dunno, how often are conditions right for life to happen? How many billions of years have we been around to observe such events?
I hope you are being deliberately obtuse as a joke . . . otherwise we aren't liable to get very far using intelligent discourse. You cannot have a human devised "experiment" without human input . . . get it?
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God doesn't talk, heck we haven't even defined god.
Yes we have . . . we just have different names.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:28 PM
 
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Neither is nature since they are identical.
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I hope you are being deliberately obtuse as a joke . . . otherwise we aren't liable to get very far using intelligent discourse. You cannot have a human devised "experiment" without human input . . . get it?
If this is your stance then you haven't bothered to find out how the experiments were carried out.
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Yes we have . . . we just have different names.
We? I'm sorry but it is you who has given attributes to god and expected us to accept them.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:38 PM
 
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Says you
"And my Dad can beat up your Dad . . ." This discourse is going nowhere.
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If this is your stance then you haven't bothered to find out how the experiments were carried out.
::sigh::Clearly the obtuseness was not deliberate . . . "carried out" has some import . . don't you think?
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We? I'm sorry but it is you who has given attributes to god and expected us to accept them.
And you have given none to your nature God? . . . Come on . . you aren't even trying to think.
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:05 PM
 
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Why call God nature?
Language is based on consensus. God has so many different definitions, yet the definition of nature is much more agreed upon. If the word nature was replaced by God, you would anger as much if not more theists as you would atheists. The reason is that very few people define God the same way you do. When the much more prominent definitions of God lose popularity, then you can start pushing this word change.

It also seems that you are assuming the word nature means "it just happens". But the word nature, like all science, leaves the possibility of a "mover" open to individual speculation.
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