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Old 02-13-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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That incident was a completely heinous and unacceptable act. While unforgiveable, it occurred in an isolated region of a country that was very much in turmoil whose acts were perpertrated by a few evil men. What I am talking about is a pattern that has existed for over 1400 years in the entire Middle Eastern region accomplished by thousands, if not millions of Muslims.

The Middle East is almost devoid of Christians even though Christians were the vast majority before Muhammed's time.
And how did Christians become the vast majority in the Middle East and Europe?

here is a hint Massacre of Verden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and others like it across the contenent.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:27 PM
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Oh, right then, nevermind. Just give me a moment to lift the corner of the carpet so that you can sweep that gigantic lump of shame back under it.

Wait...weren't you the one that said "What I am talking about is a pattern that has existed for over 1400 years in the entire Middle Eastern region accomplished by thousands, if not millions of Muslims."

Hey, I thought you were talking about TODAY in the modern world, not 1400 years ago.
What I am talking about is not isolated areas and times, but rather a pattern of intolerance that started 1400 years ago and is STILL going on today, the result of which, is almost the complete emptying of Christianity out of the Middle East.

I have no idea if YOU should be ashamed, but these persecutions that are occurring in Iraq are part of a large pattern in that region for a very long time. The bottom line, tolerance is not and has not been for a very long time, a virtue of the Muslim Middle East. That is not a blanket statement on everyone everywhere in that region, but pretty close. The Egyptians, the Lebanese, and possibly the Syrians have been a bit more tolerant.

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Old 02-13-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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I believe that true Christians don't engage in warfare. Didn't Jesus say his followers would have love (for each other and their enemies) and unity.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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What I am talking about is not isolated areas and times, but rather a pattern of intolerance that started 1400 years ago and is STILL going on today, the result of which, is almost the complete emptying of Christianity out of the Middle East.

I have no idea if YOU should be ashamed, but these persecutions that are occurring in Iraq are part of a large pattern in that region for a very long time. The bottom line, tolerance is not and has not been for a very long time, a virtue of the Muslim Middle East. That is not a blanket statement on everyone everywhere in that region, but pretty close. The Egyptians, the Lebanese, and possibly the Syrians have been a bit more tolerant.
Going on since 1400 yrs ago? Hmm...you're definately not a student of Middle-eastern history
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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Muslims don't even tolerate each other! When they aren't killing Jews, they start killing others who don't agree with their religion. Then when they are prevented from killing them, they start killing each other! They simply become anxious when they are at peace for a few moments.
From my side of the fence it sounds just like Christians. The best answer for both sides is a good secular government without religion being involved. Might hurt a few of the stop and pray businesses, but would in time sure save a lot of lives.
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Old 02-14-2009, 07:17 AM
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From my side of the fence it sounds just like Christians. The best answer for both sides is a good secular government without religion being involved. Might hurt a few of the stop and pray businesses, but would in time sure save a lot of lives.
To play devils advocate, maybe it's not Islam but the Arab culture. But having said that, it means that Islam is not a strong enough religion to have an softening effect on Arab behavior.
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Yes, there were Christians that converted. That's pretty obvious. But how many were persecuted until they relented? How many were killed? How many were run off? How many stayed until they could take no more or couldn't get a job? No country's population goes from 95% to 1% because they ALL converted by their freewill. That idea is completely ludicrous.
Well, golly, it worked for the 15th century Christian Church...
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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What I am talking about is not isolated areas and times, but rather a pattern of intolerance that started 1400 years ago and is STILL going on today, the result of which, is almost the complete emptying of Christianity out of the Middle East.
Well, the Muslims are slow at that sort of thing. It only took the Christians a couple hundred years to effect "almost the complete emptying" of indigenous religions from North America.
Not that I'm condoning either. From where I sit, all Abrahamic religions look pretty creepy.
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