Are we all religious? (America, Christianity, Christian, believers)

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

I'm a rooky here. Can someone point out how to directly answer posts and get the boxed quotes in the reply?

Just click quote at the bottom right of the post you are replying to.

[DFW123]

I guess the discussion does rest on definitions.

My definition of "religious" means 100% faith-based without referencing any evidence or contra. "non-religious" is the opposite.

With those definitions, there are people who demand reference to evidences on all faiths without any exception. To them, 100% faith is not valid, and it falls under the category of stupidity. Also by the same definitions, being religious would fall under the 100% faith-based category.

Then, my answer is: not everyone is religious.

[DFW123]

If you don't agree with my black-white definitions, maybe some gray-level is appropriate?

Someone has pointed out that being religious does not mean taking scriptures literally (I do not understand this, to me, being religious means one must believe it without any criticism). However, if that is true, there are some crossing/intersecting between being religious vs being non-religious.

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by DFW123

Atheists do not have irrational spiritual lives, that will be true. But they do have spirits, and spiritual lives.

Some religious nuts consider knees down and ass pointing to the air praying as the only thing being spiritual -- they are wrong.

Um, no.
Please don't assign me a "spirit" - same with a soul.
Was there a particular reason why you just had to dis the Muslim faith?

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

I'm looking for the things that separate the religious from the "non-religious."

Thus far, I see no contrary reasonable viewpoint.

Those posting thus far either do not see or refuse to acknowledge that faith and (what many would classify as) "religious" tenets are common in all world views.

Admit it. To a certain degree, we are ALL religious.

No. This is incorrect.
I am not at all religious.
I don't believe in fairy tales, sky daddies, or any of the thousands of gods and goddesses that people have claimed exist.
Hence, I am not religious.

[tigetmax24]

No. This is incorrect.
I am not at all religious.
I don't believe in fairy tales, sky daddies, or any of the thousands of gods and goddesses that people have claimed exist.
Hence, I am not religious.[/quote]


chielgirl,

On what basis is this incorrect? Have you followed the discussion?

Your world view, which includes a choice to believe in the existence or non-existence of God, the supernatural, life after death etc. ?

Your world view requires faith - right? If not, WHY not?

[zonababe]

I'm not religious either, although those "sky daddies" do sound promising!

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by DFW123

If you don't agree with my black-white definitions, maybe some gray-level is appropriate?

That's funny, from my and perhaps others viewpoint, the colour was definitely RED

Originally Posted by DFW123

Someone has pointed out that being religious does not mean taking scriptures literally (I do not understand this, to me, being religious means one must believe it without any criticism). However, if that is true, there are some crossing/intersecting between being religious vs being non-religious.

I don't know what to make of alot of modern day religious people. Hollywood seems to have influenced a lot with their ideas being reflected in many of the religious comments here in the last couple months.

Let's just lump it all together and call it "New Age" since many seem to have direct spirit visitations from creatures claiming to be God or whatever prophetic messenger and call it even, it's late anyway.

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

No. This is incorrect.
I am not at all religious.
I don't believe in fairy tales, sky daddies, or any of the thousands of gods and goddesses that people have claimed exist.
Hence, I am not religious.

chielgirl,

On what basis is this incorrect? Have you followed the discussion?

Your world view, which includes a choice to believe in the existence or non-existence of God, the supernatural, life after death etc. ?

Your world view requires faith - right? If not, WHY not?[/quote]


No, faith is not included in my world view.
I've followed the discussion.
Actually, it's not been a discussion, you keep telling us that we're wrong., which is typical "believer" behavior.
I don't believe in a god thing.
Where is faith involved?
I don't believe in one and I don't care.

Show me the proof that there is no easter bunny.
Show me proof that there is no santa claus.

Your position is absurd.

I don't need faith to not believe in something that doesn't exist.
It takes no energy to not do something, to not believe.

Conversely, you need faith to believe in something that doesn't exist.

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

chielgirl,

On what basis is this incorrect? Have you followed the discussion?

Your world view, which includes a choice to believe in the existence or non-existence of God, the supernatural, life after death etc. ?

Your world view requires faith - right? If not, WHY not?

No, faith is not included in my world view.
I've followed the discussion.
Actually, it's not been a discussion, you keep telling us that we're wrong, which is typical "believer" behavior.
I don't believe in a god thing.
Where is faith involved?
I don't believe in one and I don't put any energy into it.

Show me the proof that there is no easter bunny.
Show me proof that there is no santa claus.

I don't need faith to not believe in something that doesn't exist.
It takes no energy to not do something, to not believe.

Conversely, you need faith to believe in something that doesn't exist.

[tigetmax24]

"No, faith is not included in my world view.
I've followed the discussion.
Actually, it's not been a discussion, you keep telling us that we're wrong, which is typical "believer" behavior.
I don't believe in a god thing.
Where is faith involved?
I don't believe in one and I don't put any energy into it.

Show me the proof that there is no easter bunny.
Show me proof that there is no santa claus.

I don't need faith to not believe in something that doesn't exist.
It takes no energy to not do something, to not believe.

Conversely, you need faith to believe in something that doesn't exist."


chielgirl,

I haven't been telling anyone that they're wrong.

You seem to be saying that you can prove that God, the supernatural and life after death are all bogus. I would be interested to hear what amazing and astounding evidence you have to prove your assertion.

You can't prove a negative. One would have to BE God in order to prove that there is no God.

Were back to my point that it takes faith in order to believe in the non-existence of God.

You say that you don't need faith in order to believe in something that doesn't exist. Oh really? Please explain because we're all on edge waiting for you to breath some new enlightenment into our lives.