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Old 02-15-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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There are people in every society who are lunatics. They often feel ignored by society, and rightfully so because they often cannot think for themselves and when they attempt to do so they are illogical and may show hostile tendencies. All it takes is a fundamental religion to unite many of them - a religion that wants control of governments to set the world right.

This is what happens when such a religion gains power.

Video: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)

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Old 02-15-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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Dear OP:

some of "us" not living in the U.S. have been very very very wary ..
to the point of foreseeing these events in utmost clarity ..

we had no one, repeat: no one, even remotely wanting to listen ..

but i 4 1, did contribute to the unprecedented rallye to help alleviate the pain inflicted on unsuspecting victims, without hesitation ..
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Old 02-15-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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There are people in every society who are lunatics. They often feel ignored by society, and rightfully so because they often cannot think for themselves and when they attempt to do so they are illogical and may show hostile tendencies. All it takes is a fundamental religion to unite many of them - a religion that wants control of governments to set the world right.

This is what happens when such a religion gains power.
Hoo boy.....Islam as the Boogeyman yet again Not to worry dear boy...at the rate Islam is expanding who knows...your grandchildren might just be muslims!
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Old 02-15-2009, 09:13 PM
 
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Hoo boy.....Islam as the Boogeyman yet again Not to worry dear boy...at the rate Islam is expanding who knows...your grandchildren might just be muslims!
Yes. The mentally unstable need a home, and Islam both welcomes and cultivates them.

It may just be that the corporatism that is taking over the world will, in the future, only be opposed/opposable by Islam.

Things change.

It could be that, in the future, the two economic systems, capitalism and communism may bond together in the next great battle against fundamentalist Islam.

Each is guilty of suppression and atrocities. Each wants power and authority. Each makes dupes of its followers if they are not already so when they 'join'.

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Old 02-15-2009, 09:45 PM
 
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Consider this: The apostle Paul, the "father" of Christianity, the writier of half the new testament and vocal apostle, was mentally ill. So the faith is based on the writings of a lunatic !!!! SO what do you suspect then when everyone reveres some crazy guy?

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"You don't have to read many of Paul's letters to observe violent swings of mood from deep depression to exaltation, Pauls' passionate likes and dislikes. His boasting. His dark sense of guilt. Almost certainly it was some sort of neurosis that was bugging him. Three times he prayed to God to get rid of it for him, he said, but God never did. Maybe it's not hard to guess why.
"Paul's life would no doubt have [been] greatly enriched by a psychological cure. But such a cure would have greatly impoverished generations of his readers' lives."
Frederick Beauchner Peculiar Treasures
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Dennis Deihl writes
Prophets, Apostles, and Mental Illness (http://ezinearticles.com/?Prophets,-Apostles,-and-Mental-Illness&id=90708 - broken link)
(http://ezinearticles.com/?Prophets,-Apostles,-and-Mental-Illness&id=90708 - broken link)Someone once asked what’s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
 
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Consider this: The apostle Paul, the "father" of Christianity, the writier of half the new testament and vocal apostle, was mentally ill. So the faith is based on the writings of a lunatic !!!! SO what do you suspect then when everyone reveres some crazy guy?

"
"You don't have to read many of Paul's letters to observe violent swings of mood from deep depression to exaltation, Pauls' passionate likes and dislikes. His boasting. His dark sense of guilt. Almost certainly it was some sort of neurosis that was bugging him. Three times he prayed to God to get rid of it for him, he said, but God never did. Maybe it's not hard to guess why.
"Paul's life would no doubt have [been] greatly enriched by a psychological cure. But such a cure would have greatly impoverished generations of his readers' lives."
Frederick Beauchner Peculiar Treasures
________________

Dennis Deihl writes
Prophets, Apostles, and Mental Illness (http://ezinearticles.com/?Prophets,-Apostles,-and-Mental-Illness&id=90708 - broken link)
Someone once asked what’s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic.
I agree. Any 'ism' has the capacity to be twisted and sick and ultimately harmful to the population. Most 'ism's' do not know the meaning of the word 'compromise' and their followers somehow think that pushing it to the extreme is all they'll settle for.

Look at what too heavy a dose of capitalism did to our economy.

Religion should be a private quest, an inner connection, not something that takes over schools and governments.


The face that religion, today, puts on in front of the world requires a backlash.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Because people take an unprovable thing too far for no better reason than uncertainty and fear. Religion is not related to logic and rationality. And you can't rationalize with irrational people that have their minds set, regardless of how illogical it all sounds.


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There are people in every society who are lunatics. They often feel ignored by society, and rightfully so because they often cannot think for themselves and when they attempt to do so they are illogical and may show hostile tendencies. All it takes is a fundamental religion to unite many of them - a religion that wants control of governments to set the world right.

This is what happens when such a religion gains power.

Video: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:40 PM
 
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Because people take an unprovable thing too far for no better reason than uncertainty and fear. Religion is not related to logic and rationality. And you can't rationalize with irrational people that have their minds set, regardless of how illogical it all sounds.
If we examine some religions closely, they very much resemble cults to me, only they are state approved because they have the numbers.

With fundie Christians, there is so much dogma that there is not room for spiritual growth. They just rehash the same things, over and over. It is a stale thing and they seem to spend a lot of time projecting negative thoughts on to the outside world and others who don't see the world in the same way. Some of them sink into an unhealthy rut which makes them bitter.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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If we examine some religions closely, they very much resemble cults to me, only they are state approved because they have the numbers.

With fundie Christians, there is so much dogma that there is not room for spiritual growth. They just rehash the same things, over and over. It is a stale thing and they seem to spend a lot of time projecting negative thoughts on to the outside world and others who don't see the world in the same way. Some of them sink into an unhealthy rut which makes them bitter.
That is certainly what I encountered with the Fundie Christians There is a weekly rehashing of dogma, which is
1 You are going to hell UNLESS
2You accept Jesus as your savior and
3 be a member of this here church

Number 3 is clear, 1 and 2 are kept vague
But this shallow theology is about it.....and it is rehashed weekly
SO you are right there is no room for spiritual growth, nor is there need for it in this kind of system, BECAUSE 1, 2 and 3 listed above are ALL that matters. There is nothing else before or after that, and that is it. That IS the theology ! End of discussion

I would like to see a religious movement that does good for the world. Not that is based on fear and focused only on the afterlife (because that is a negative religion) Not that is based on an ideology of intolerance towards anyone who is not part of the group, but rather one of a philosophy of love and making the world a better place here now today right this minute NOT through promises of an afterlife but with real works in the hear and now, a focus on people and people's needs, a focus on teaching people to work together for a common good, a common good in THIS society. (Fundie Christians will call me a hippie, a liberal, a communist, ultimately a PIG for even suggesting such a thing, BUT I wonder what their Jesus would say?)

Ah, to sleep.... perchance to dream ( a little Shakespeare for your day)
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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There are people in every society who are lunatics. They often feel ignored by society, and rightfully so because they often cannot think for themselves and when they attempt to do so they are illogical and may show hostile tendencies. All it takes is a fundamental religion to unite many of them - a religion that wants control of governments to set the world right.

This is what happens when such a religion gains power.

Video: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)

Are you actually suggesting that you have to be either mentally ill or socially deviant to be religious? The people of the world need hope and that is why religions, especially Christianity and Islam, are spreading like wildfire. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Africa and is winning many converts in Asia. The same is true for Islam in Europe and even the US.

Are you claiming that all these people are "ignored by society" and cannot think of themselves? You accuse us of non-thinking but your simplistic views on religion show who is the non-thinker. Many people become religious after great study and thought.
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