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View Poll Results: Does God change?
No, He is the Lord, and changes not. 24 51.06%
Obviously! And it's not sacrilegious to say so either. 4 8.51%
God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and may His Noodly Self never change. Fettuccini. 16 34.04%
Yes, and about time too. Time for Holy Tide with color safe bleach! 3 6.38%
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:59 PM
 
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Somewhere in the Bible it says: God is the same; yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
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Old 02-20-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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Somewhere in the Bible it says: God is the same; yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Hebrews 13:8
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:39 AM
 
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Okay, but how do you reconcile those passages which state that God does not change (e.g., Mal. 3:6), with others that seem to suggest that he does alter his course of action? One example is found in Exodus 32:14, which says: 'And the Lord repented of the evil which he said he would do unto his people'.

God does not change, He is Holy and we are to live Holy. The problem is not with God, it is with us. There are just some people who choose to live life unholy and apart from God.

The consequence for robbing a bank is going to jail. The law tells us that, so if we deside to do it anyway, then that is our fault and we are going to go to jail. So, when you get arrested you have no reason to blame the police for arresting you. . That is how people treat God and the laws that He give us to live by. God specifically gave us the standard that we are go live by, but people do it anyway. If God tells someone not to do something that He says not to do, then there will be a consequence for that action. So, when they have a consequence for there negative behavior, then they want to blame God for there ignorance.

God does not change and He never will. People just don't want to live a Holy Life. God is Holy and can't excuse Sin, because of His nature. Sin is the opposite of what God is. So, if the people would have been obedient to God, then Moses wouldn't have been interceding for selfish unholy and ungreatful people. I feel the wrong finger is being pointed at the wrong person. Instead of pointing the finger at God, I feel the finger should be pointed at the people for what they were doing.

Did you read everything that they did in the desert. God rescued them and they did everything that God was against. The people commanded Aaron to make them false gods to worship, they were indulging in sensuous dancing and sexual immorality, they were doubting God and murmuring against Him. God was the one who was protecting them, but they were worshipping a golden calf over Him. So, Moses had to come down from being in the presence of the Lord and get them back in line with God. After all of this and someone even has the nerve to question God.

God is God and can do what ever He likes.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:43 AM
 
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God does not change, He is Holy and we are to live Holy. The problem is not with God, it is with us. There are just some people who choose to live life unholy and apart from God.

The consequence for robbing a bank is going to jail. The law tells us that, so if we deside to do it anyway, then that is our fault and we are going to go to jail. So, when you get arrested you have no reason to blame the police for arresting you. . That is how people treat God and the laws that He give us to live by. God specifically gave us the standard that we are go live by, but people do it anyway. If God tells someone not to do something that He says not to do, then there will be a consequence for that action. So, when they have a consequence for there negative behavior, then they want to blame God for there ignorance.

God does not change and He never will. People just don't want to live a Holy Life. God is Holy and can't excuse Sin, because of His nature. Sin is the opposite of what God is. So, if the people would have been obedient to God, then Moses wouldn't have been interceding for selfish unholy and ungreatful people. I feel the wrong finger is being pointed at the wrong person. Instead of pointing the finger at God, I feel the finger should be pointed at the people for what they were doing.

Did you read everything that they did in the desert. God rescued them and they did everything that God was against. The people commanded Aaron to make them false gods to worship, they were indulging in sensuous dancing and sexual immorality, they were doubting God and murmuring against Him. God was the one who was protecting them, but they were worshipping a golden calf over Him. So, Moses had to come down from being in the presence of the Lord and get them back in line with God. After all of this and someone even has the nerve to question God.

God is God and can do what ever He likes.
Well, obviously God can do whatever He likes...He's God! What's I don't get is there are all the Scriptures that say that God is the same forever, He does not change, ect...but the Bible seems filled with stories of God that say the exact opposite, that God did indeed change. And if He did that because a person changed, shouldn't He have foreseen that?
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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I think we're all part of god....and as such we're part of his eyes, ears, touch and all the other senses. God experiences things in part through our experiences here on earth. We're all contributing to the collection and expansion of knowledge that is and can be known.

I have no doubt that we're all part of god and that in reality there is no separation of any of us....although on earth we're for reasons partly unknown to us at this time, given the illusion of all of us being separate individuals.

So, to directly answer the question directly, yes, god does change as he/she aquires more experiences and knowledge in part due to our experiences here on earth. Sure it's very slow since we're only here on earth for a snapshot in time relatively speaking.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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rAmen.
Just spotted this...LOL
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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I think we're all part of god....and as such we're part of his eyes, ears, touch and all the other senses. God experiences things in part through our experiences here on earth. We're all contributing to the collection and expansion of knowledge that is and can be known.

I have no doubt that we're all part of god and that in reality there is no separation of any of us....although on earth we're for reasons partly unknown to us at this time, given the illusion of all of us being separate individuals.

So, to directly answer the question directly, yes, god does change as he/she aquires more experiences and knowledge in part due to our experiences here on earth. Sure it's very slow since we're only here on earth for a snapshot in time relatively speaking.
Interesting concept...I'm not sure if I totally agree off the cuff but I've often given it some thought. Like, if God is perfect and unchanging, why is His creation imperfect and forever changing? Did He intend that?

Ever read Memnoch the Devil by Anne Rice? Very interesting read, and it poses that we are basically like a big experiment, that God is loving and all but not really concerned with us on a personal level...rather like we are lab rats that he grows somewhat fond of.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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not at all. but our perception of him, constantly.

ooops, i thought he was getting very ambitious lately.
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Old 02-22-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Well, obviously God can do whatever He likes...He's God! What's I don't get is there are all the Scriptures that say that God is the same forever, He does not change, ect...but the Bible seems filled with stories of God that say the exact opposite, that God did indeed change. And if He did that because a person changed, shouldn't He have foreseen that?
Actually, the bible does not contradict itself. You just have to understand the bible and under spiritual things. Like the example that you gave about God wanting to destroy the people in the desert. God is mercyful, but the bible also says that He will not excuse sin. So, if you read in the bible, there were people in the desert who were punished for their sin, and He also showed His mercy.

Even though there were two different outcomes, God still did not change. In the beginning, God said that He was Holy, and would not allow sin to go unpunished. So, He already told what would happen if the people sinned. So, God's nature is Holy and a punisher of sin.

So, if God decides to not punish someone who sins, He is mercyful, but If He punishes someone for Sin, He is doing what He already said that He was going to Do. God does not change, He is the same today and will be the same tomorrow.
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Actually, the bible does not contradict itself. You just have to understand the bible and under spiritual things. Like the example that you gave about God wanting to destroy the people in the desert. God is mercyful, but the bible also says that He will not excuse sin. So, if you read in the bible, there were people in the desert who were punished for their sin, and He also showed His mercy.

Even though there were two different outcomes, God still did not change. In the beginning, God said that He was Holy, and would not allow sin to go unpunished. So, He already told what would happen if the people sinned. So, God's nature is Holy and a punisher of sin.

So, if God decides to not punish someone who sins, He is mercyful, but If He punishes someone for Sin, He is doing what He already said that He was going to Do. God does not change, He is the same today and will be the same tomorrow.
Well if the Bible is so danged important you'd have thought that God would make it quite a bit easier to understand for the common person, don't you?

Why shouldn't God excuse sin? I mean, we are born into a sin nature, right? How are we responsible for that? Or maybe, just perhaps, should God, the Creator, be responsible for His creation?

So if God is all knowing He should know beforehand what anyone at anytime is going to do and know if He would need to forgive, or punish, or whatever. Why would an all-knowing Being ever need to change His/Her Mind?
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