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Old 02-05-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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A. An Intelligent Creator designed and made us, because there’s "irreducible complexity", and besides, just look at the human eye! "It’s too amazing to have happened by chance". It’s perfection is obviously the result of the mind of a vastly superior mind (which would, BTW, be our particular God but that’s another story. First we’ll get them to think this is science, and then we’ll drop the other foot!)

The mind of a vastly superior intellect designed and made man in his own perfect image, right?

Q: Did he ever design anything that wasn’t perfect? A sort of trial balloon design that later screwed up when it was outside the Grand Warranty Period?

As in: Some rodent that went extinct because it couldn’t deal with its environmental challenges? Ditto for some mega-lizards? And why didn’t he design into our heads some altruism or respect for his other beloved designs, the birds, mountain gorillas, honey bees, salmon, etc. (I thought he loved all his otherwise defenseless critters?)

And why didn’t he specify that we should balk at the idea of persistently damaging his Earth's magnificent design? Surely you don't think he would design us imperfectly just so we could and would fail, so that he could then show up and selectively sort through us, just keeping the ones who tithed both physchologically and fiscally?? But also knowing that we'd succeed in taking down so many of his beloved other creations. Was it just to teach us something about greed and sin? Nooooo! For that He let The Exxon Valdez run aground and kill tens of millions of sea organisms, birds, seals, fish, etc.? Not to mention the livelihood of thousands of good Christian fisherpeople? NOOooooooo...oooo!!!

And if this is so, then why did he do such a good job otherwise, on the physical side of things rather than on the behavioral and ethical side, in designing us?

I mean, perfection in design should also be obvious throughout the organism, right?
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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so the argument is that it's not designed to your standards?

Is that it?
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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oh no.

this is heading towards a schedule of plights. brace for the worst!
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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If HE had wanted to make it all-perfect, you wouldn't be here questioning HIS designs
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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But then you'd have to consider, in the physical design, that there are numerous deformities in every form of life, even in the non-life. The earth itself has cracks in it, so it isn't only the behavioral and ethical side that's amiss.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:09 PM
 
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And in the end, when we receive our glorified bodies, and the New Jerusalem is created, God will be glorified because of it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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But then you'd have to consider, in the physical design, that there are numerous deformities in every form of life, even in the non-life. The earth itself has cracks in it, so it isn't only the behavioral and ethical side that's amiss.

and...? ask me no questions so i won't tell you lies?
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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and...? ask me no questions so i won't tell you lies?
And...? I was adding to the OP in his philosophy.. And nothing.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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If HE had wanted to make it all-perfect, you wouldn't be here questioning HIS designs

Would not all making begin with thought - and thought being perfect - and in perfection interact with matter?

Need no ridicule here. Been there: it is
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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There are great imperfections in the human body alone. Products of natural selection, we have huge brains and skulls and walk on two feet. We needed these things for intelligence and cross-country travel in order to survive and reproduce.

But the cost is that mothers go through excruciating, life-threatening pain in childbirth because of skull size (for intelligence) and pelvis size (smaller to allow us to walk on two feet). Not to mention the 4 little toes on each foot that are good for nothing but stubbing on things and causing one to curse the creator (rightly so, eh?).

Evolution finds a solution, not the best solution. You would think an intelligent designer would find the best solution.
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