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Old 02-24-2009, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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Well while there is definitely an element of those who have no other motive than put down , sarcasm, etc, there are equally those who are more intelligent who are better at discussion. Keep in mind that many on their side, not all, but many like to make blanket statements about the religious side and we are all as varied as they are on belief. I guess here again there has to be the question, What is an "Atheist World View" ??? The answer again is that there would be many differences of opinion between Atheists. You have the "Fundamentalist Extremist Athesim" which is what Nazism, Facism, and Communism were. Certainly most here that I have seen don't prescribe to that. But then you have the gentler kinder Socialist Secular Progressive atheistic worldview which perhaps more members here lean towards. But here again is the problem, not one has had the courage to open up a thread and actually tell us how their kinder gentler version of truth is going to benefit mankind's future. I believe the reason for this is that they do not want to leave themselves open and vulnerable to the same bashing, sarcasm, making fun of and criticism that some of the more radical element put forth on all these threads.

The only other alternative for trying to figure out just exactly what their worldview is, is that because they have refuse to tell us outright, we can only assume they don't have any clue themselves about what is going to save our planet and world's in the future.
Bluepacific, since you dropped the bold text I actually find myself reading some of your posts.
There has been a thread about how the atheist "version of truth is going to benefit mankind's future". It seems there are as many answers to that question as there are atheists. Atheists also share many different world views. After all, the only thing all atheists have in common is a lack of belief in gods. We aren't a political party, or a club.

 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:47 PM
 
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I have said this:

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Any view without reference to religion is an atheist's worldview.
This directly addresses your thread question (stupid). There are lot of non-religious views are viable, they are all atheist's view.

(well, I did not say the opposite -- there are lot non-religious views are non-viable, they are all atheist's view as well)
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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How does the rejection of someone else's idea's of creation not beg the question of your own explanation(stupid)? It is so easy to discount someone else, Bud, but you seem to really have trouble defending yourself. It's so easy.... If not, then why not?
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Modern science accounts for existence, morality, and significance of action by applying logic and reason to the sciences of archaeology, anthropology, geology, biology, chemistry, etc., and then gathering evidence to form and support valid world views.
Really ???
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And before you dismiss science and argue in favor or your Bible to explain the complexities of the human existence (the Bible of which has never been proven to have been written by anybody other than mortal men), consider all the discoveries that came about as a result of science:
This is incredible. Every science book, every secular philosophy, and every political/social atheistic idea has also been written down by mortal men/women. Are we to believe that these men/women who wrote their theories, doctrines and dogmas are infallible ???
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Science is responsible for the discovery of viruses and the vaccines that protect us against them; science is responsible for the theory of plate techtonics; science is responsible for the revelation that the world is indeed not flat; science is responsible for electricity; science is responsible for the pacemaker; science is responsible for...(you get my drift).
Science is also responsible for developing biological weapons, science makes replicas of the designs of nature, they have'nt discovered anything. They've only reported on the observations of things already made. The Bible already reported on a round spherical Globe hanging in space back when science was in it's infancy and based it's beliefs on "mythology".
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Old 02-24-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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Do you refer to the bible for your right and wrong? Or where do you turn for that. And what is the harm for looking for the best possible theory? Or are you just happy with we don't know? If I was, I suppose I would either believe anything or just not even talk about it. So what's the point of your post?
And where did you get your sense of right and wrong? I'm guessing what you were taught as your grew older?

If that's so, then why is it so bad to find a sense of right and wrong through the bible?

Our sexual conduct has brought about many STD's. When we seek revenge against someone it only brings about more pain and suffering. Children are shown to benefit from a stable family. Compatibility isn't necessarily what makes a relationship work. In fact, you'd probably drive yourself crazy.

Whenever society condones the act of breaking a commandment, it brings problems.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:57 PM
 
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Bluepacific, since you dropped the bold text I actually find myself reading some of your posts.
There has been a thread about how the atheist "version of truth is going to benefit mankind's future". It seems there are as many answers to that question as there are atheists. Atheists also share many different world views. After all, the only thing all atheists have in common is a lack of belief in gods. We aren't a political party, or a club.
Thanks, I'll try hard to drop the bold text. I have been criticized on that for the past couple of years. It's an eyesight thing for me only. I'll still keep my emoticons though.

How long ago was that thread, because I have never gotten a close answer with the exception of Mr Troop ??? My understanding of their diversity is well documented. But sometimes in these threads, many opinions muddle up the content.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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I do not discount sciences' contributions to the quality of life on earth or the need to further persue. Nor do I discount the process of evolution. Nor do I fall upon "my bible" to attack science (I agree it was written by men). I simply question an atheist's ability to explain "the beginning" of the universe, and the inherent meaning of right and wrong without intellegent design. I wish to discuss how the "valid" world view of an atheist has been formed and supported, and just what it may be.
Your questions lead me to believe that you do not understand what an atheist is. It is just someone who doesn't believe in gods. That is all.
Different atheists will have different answers to your questions. There is no dogma nor doctrine for us.
In my opinion, the universe started with the big bang. I don't know how it happened or what came before.
My morality comes from my parents and the culture I was raised in. There are millions of people on earth who do not get their morality from a holy book.
Can you be more specific about what you mean by 'world view'? I know I view the world as lacking anything supernatural.

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Then you don't belong in a discussion about the origin of the universe if you have no answer. Nor should you judge those that presume to have an answer. Atheism carries with it the indictment of Naturalism. Explain and defend the tenents of it or leave the thread.
Why do think that atheism carries with it an indictment of naturalism?



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I see alot of posts from atheists on this site who are good about attacking those of the faiths, but I haven't seen much of an explanation regarding the origin of man or the universe. Can you account for existence, morality, and significance of action with an atheistic worldview?
Man evolved from apes.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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I may agree that man evolved from apes. Why is there no impetus on the non-believer to justify thier beliefs? My question is still: What is your belief if you reject creationism? Not Christianity, Islam, Buddhism-Whatever... An Atheist cannot simply sit by on this subject or they are being intellectually dishonest. Please give a valid theory about the origin of the Universe, morality, and significance of action from an Atheistic worldview.
 
Old 02-25-2009, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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I may agree that man evolved from apes. Why is there no impetus on the non-believer to justify thier beliefs? My question is still: What is your belief if you reject creationism? Not Christianity, Islam, Buddhism-Whatever... An Atheist cannot simply sit by on this subject or they are being intellectually dishonest. Please give a valid theory about the origin of the Universe, morality, and significance of action from an Atheistic worldview.
Good god, have you not read/comprehended anything that has been posted on so many similar threads to this?

Origin of the universe: We don't know.

Why is that so hard for you to accept? Not only do we not know, but we might never know. So be it, we'll keep looking for a scientific answer and scientific proofs. The search is often the point, not the answer. And there's the rub with a lot of religious people...they do not search for answers, they simply accept whatever their religion tells them is the truth and never look any further. A very stagnant attitude as far as the human race is concerned.

Morality. All morality is subjective, period. What's right for me may not be right for you, so what? I won't tell you what to believe if you lay off me and quit telling me what to believe.

Significance of action? WTF do you mean by this? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That's a fact. If you don't want to endure the reaction, don't perform the action.

Atheistic worldview? Again, wtf do you mean by this? There is no rulebook for atheism. The ONLY thing that every atheist is guaranteed to have in common is a disbelief in god(s), period. That's it. That's all atheism means. Ask ten of us what our morals and ethics and standards of behavior happen to be, and you'll probably get ten different answers. So what?

We don't spend every minute of every day contemplating our atheism. In fact, in my day to day life I rarely think about it, and even more rarely talk about it, except on these boards. It has nothing to do with how I treat people, or how I function from day to day. I think as much about it as I do about my disbelief in pink unicorns or leprechauns. I don't know why that's so hard for you people to understand.
 
Old 02-25-2009, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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An Atheist cannot simply sit by on this subject or they are being intellectually dishonest. Please give a valid theory about the origin of the Universe, morality, and significance of action from an Atheistic worldview.
First of all, you make it sound as though those of us who are atheists are obligated to offer you some sort of explanation for being atheists. I don't feel that it's my duty to justify my lack of belief in a God to any person, or any frog for that matter. I see you haven't posted very many times so you probably haven't read some of the threads that exist that get into some of the questions you're asking in great detail. As others have told you, atheists don't share the same beliefs, they just share one disbelief and that is in the existence of a God. No one can explain the beginning of the universe, we simply don't know. We do have a good understanding of evolution from single celled life to advanced forms of life although we don't understand all of the steps involved in which nonliving matter finally became single celled life (that field of study is called abiogenesis).
My personal view of morality is that it has developed as man began living in organized communities in which certain kinds of behavior were recognized as beneficial to the overall good (working hard, being cooperative with others, etc.) or destructive in nature (stealing, raping, cheating, murdering, etc.). In order for a society to function there needs to be a certain level of cooperation among it's members and there need to be consequences for behavior that is harmful. Over a few thousand years of living in society man has developed various systems of laws and we have been instilled to be productive and cooperative with each other. Morals are really a matter of common sense and I don't believe that a God ever gave mankind instructions on how we should live, I believe that we developed that concept on our own although believers would like to attribute that to a God.
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