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Old 03-09-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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Evil is good. As all of God‘s gifts are.

God looked at Eden and said it was good. Eden included Satan to represent evil, the talking snake to represent society and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All good.

It is said that all of God’s works are perfect. Evil and sin then, as His works and creation, must be perfect.
Genesis tells us that to know God better and understand His philosophy, we must eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In fact we must eat of the evil side. Evil it seems is a better teacher than the good. Perhaps because of guilt and shame. This is what Eve chose and this is where we gain our moral sense.
Sin and evil were born in heaven before the earth was even formed. God cast 1/3 of angels (most think evil but actually good), to earth to help teach us this valuable lesson. Why else would He give us these angels if they were not benevolent? He would certainly not wish us evil, would He?
If God’s will cannot be thwarted then Eve did not fall at all but leapt to a glorious future of knowing why she and we are to follow God. A glorious leap to a history that we would not have if she had not had the intelligence or curiosity to begin our great journey.

If you were Eve, what would you do?

Eat of it and learn morals and wisdom or
not eat of it and remain in ignorance of why you should follow God.

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DL
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Old 03-09-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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Evil is good. As all of God‘s gifts are.

God looked at Eden and said it was good. Eden included Satan to represent evil, the talking snake to represent society and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All good.

It is said that all of God’s works are perfect. Evil and sin then, as His works and creation, must be perfect.
Genesis tells us that to know God better and understand His philosophy, we must eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In fact we must eat of the evil side. Evil it seems is a better teacher than the good. Perhaps because of guilt and shame. This is what Eve chose and this is where we gain our moral sense.
Sin and evil were born in heaven before the earth was even formed. God cast 1/3 of angels (most think evil but actually good), to earth to help teach us this valuable lesson. Why else would He give us these angels if they were not benevolent? He would certainly not wish us evil, would He?
If God’s will cannot be thwarted then Eve did not fall at all but leapt to a glorious future of knowing why she and we are to follow God. A glorious leap to a history that we would not have if she had not had the intelligence or curiosity to begin our great journey.

If you were Eve, what would you do?

Eat of it and learn morals and wisdom or
not eat of it and remain in ignorance of why you should follow God.

Regards
DL
Eat it and be cast down to earth where a life of toil (except for a minor few) awaits or not eat it and live in bliss in a place where one's every whims are fulfilled?
Hmmm.....hard decision to make

By the way..don't just blame it on Eve. It was a collective decision by both. Anyhow, both had repented and been forgiven by God
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:08 AM
 
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The concept of perfection (God, Eden) is what ruins humanity.
Man is not a god and because man is imperfect he will never create something perfect.
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The absence of flaw in beauty is itself a flaw.
Havelock Ellis (1859 - 1939), Impressions and Comments (1914)
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:45 AM
 
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Eat it and be cast down to earth where a life of toil (except for a minor few) awaits or not eat it and live in bliss in a place where one's every whims are fulfilled?
Hmmm.....hard decision to make

By the way..don't just blame it on Eve. It was a collective decision by both. Anyhow, both had repented and been forgiven by God
Eve, as the more mature would lead.

An ignorant beast does not have enough brains to have whims.

If they had been forgiven then why are Christians born with original sin?

Where in scripture does God forgive them?

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DL
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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The concept of perfection (God, Eden) is what ruins humanity.
Man is not a god and because man is imperfect he will never create something perfect.
Without a goal all religions would die.

With secular law being better than religious laws, this might not be a bad idea even as I believe in a God.

If my God cannot do even better than secular law then He too does not deserve to be followed. Time will tell.

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DL
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Without a goal all religions would die.
And becoming perfect accomplishes just that; once you're perfect you've achieved everything there is to achieve.
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am And becoming perfect accomplishes just that; once you're perfect you've achieved everything there is to achieve.
I see perfection as ever evolving.

If perfection was to be a stagnant never changing quality for God then from His perfect beginnings nothing would have been required and we would not be here. Perfection evolves. God did

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Old 03-10-2009, 09:26 AM
 
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But is this "perfection" a good per say the done of humanity, or beauty for the perception they need for it, or the mere ideal mathematical agreement by form?
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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I see perfection as ever evolving.
If perfection needed to evolve it obviously wasn't perfect in the 1st place.
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am If perfection needed to evolve it obviously wasn't perfect in the 1st place.
it should have unfolded, instead!
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