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Old 03-21-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you"

What do you think of this? How can a loving god be so hurtful?
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Old 03-21-2009, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you"

What do you think of this? How can a loving god be so hurtful?
Leaving the beliefs of hell and heaven out, think about those ten things from a secular standpoint. Even if 6 to 7 of those were followed properly, all the strife in society would go down by 65%

Good things last. Bad things suck.
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Old 03-21-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Leaving the beliefs of hell and heaven out, think about those ten things from a secular standpoint. Even if 6 to 7 of those were followed properly, all the strife in society would go down by 65%

Good things last. Bad things suck.
Well, ok...mostly...I guess....but not completly ok...because in one of the 10 it says something like, "don't covet thy neighbors man servant nor his maid servant." The word "servant" is mis-translated. The word, used in the oldest texts we have copies of, actually means "slave." Since, I can't covet someone's slave, it means that it is ok for him to own that slave. Since god inferred that it is ok to own a slave, then one must conclude that god supports slavery. ...I can't agree to this.

OK....so lets look at another one of the 10....YOU pick one this time. We'll discuss whether it makes sense.
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Old 03-21-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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Well, ok...mostly...I guess....but not completly ok...because in one of the 10 it says something like, "don't covet thy neighbors man servant nor his maid servant." The word "servant" is mis-translated. The word, used in the oldest texts we have copies of, actually means "slave." Since, I can't covet someone's slave, it means that it is ok for him to own that slave. Since god inferred that it is ok to own a slave, then one must conclude that god supports slavery. ...I can't agree to this.

OK....so lets look at another one of the 10....YOU pick one this time. We'll discuss whether it makes sense.
Honour thy father and mother.
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Old 03-21-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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What do you say about the person who talk badly against God, then deserve His pleasure!
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Old 03-21-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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What do you say about the person who talk badly against God, then deserve His pleasure!
Excuse me? Why should I concern myself with what someone says about God? Isn't God capable of defending Himself? It is all I can do to not screw up too badly. I have no business telling others how they should act or talk, I should, instead, focus on my own actions and talking. If I do that I will have no time for trying to correct someone else. Besides, if it angers God, He has the ability to make the bad guy pay.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Honour thy father and mother.
Some theologians argue that one fulfills one’s obligations to God in part by honoring one's parents, the people given the responsibility to raise and teach a person, making them functioning members of the community of the chosen people of God. This is not an entirely specious argument but it is a bit of a stretch, and something similar could be offered for the other commandments as well. As a consequence, it looks more like a post hoc rationalization designed to make the commandment fit a preconceived notion of parental, family, and child actual dynamics.

Is the Fifth Commandment something that everyone should obey? It’s easy to argue that, as a general principle, honoring one’s parents is a good idea. It would have been especially true in ancient societies where life could be precarious and it’s a good way to ensure the maintenance of important social bonds. To say that it’s good as a general principle is not, however, the same as saying that it should be regarded as an absolute command from God and therefore must be followed in every possible instance. And if it can't be conceived as an absolute command from God, then it can't be conceived as being a commandment.

There are many people who have suffered greatly at the hands of their parents. There are children who have been emotionally, physically, and even sexually abused by their mothers and fathers. If the survivor of abuse does not feel able to honor their parents, no one should be surprised and no one should try to insist that they act otherwise.

Yet, if survivors of abuse reject their parents, according to biblical teaching they are sinning, and sinning greviously.

There is no way out of this delimma. Either it is a commandment or it is not. Either it makes sense, or it does not. Attempting to "intrepret" sense into it is merely a game of "logic chopping" and actujally admitting that yet another commandment cannot stand on its own.

OK....pick another....
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Old 03-21-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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dcashley. If we are going to discuss the commandments let us do just that, rather than copy/paste from websites, such as the one you just used.

http://atheism.about.com/od/tencomma...mandment05.htm
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Old 03-21-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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excuse me? Why should i concern myself with what someone says about god? Isn't god capable of defending himself? It is all i can do to not screw up too badly. I have no business telling others how they should act or talk, i should, instead, focus on my own actions and talking. If i do that i will have no time for trying to correct someone else. besides, if it angers god, he has the ability to make the bad guy pay.
............:d
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Old 03-21-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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dcashley. If we are going to discuss the commandments let us do just that, rather than copy/paste from websites, such as the one you just used.

Fifth Commandment: Honor Thy Father and Mother - Analysis of the Ten Commandments
So, dear heart, what is your opinion. I've not heard one yet....or are you just into attacking...not very useful, but fun for you, huh?
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