How Can You Have A Relationship With Someone Who's Invisible? (souls, pray)

[effie g-tad]

i41 will ask napoleon to tell visvaldis i love him!

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by shawn_2828

I'll be honest before I got saved I asked the same question that you asked. Before I really knew who God was I asked God how can I love you or interact with you when I can't feel you or see you. Then God began to manifest Himself to me in a way that I could understand who He was.

I will try to explain in a way that you can understand. If you don't mind me saying this, when you don't understand God, someone who has a close relationship with God can tell you, but you want understand until you experience those thing.

But here goes. I began to feel this sense of urgency for some reason to just want to know God. It happened over night. I began to have these dreams, signs, wonders, God's telling me things and showing me things. When I would pray I would just sence God around me. The feeling would be so heavy that I couldn't stand up at times, because God's presence was so heavy around me.

I was born with things that doctors couldn't heal. Then I turned to God and said you will heal me God, please do it now, and He did, on the spot. God began to show His love to me. People can say that healings can just happend and they are right. But it is obvious that God healed me because I asked Him to do it right then.

When God's presence is around you, like I have felt, then He is not invisible to the person because He is around the person.

I will say this God has done some things that an unbeliever couldn't understand because they have never experienced God in that way. I could tell stories that are so over the top, that an unbeliever just wouldn't understand.

But If I was to tell a believer they would understand because they have experienced God in such a way.

Montanaguy, I respect that you want to know and understand what we experience and believe, but honestly I think that you will continue to not understand because you have not experienced God in this way. You don't want to know God, and that is your choice, but if that is the matter, then I don't think that you will understand what we are experiencing or feeling.

I could say that I have heard God's voice, but that wouldn't mean anything to you, because you don't have a relationship with God and have never heard His voice.

But if someone who has heard God's voice would understand.

But how do someone experience an invisible God, by hearing His voice, feeling His presence and love, by spending time and talking with Him, and so many more.

So, I have to ask, would you have developed the same relationship with God if he didn't heal you?

This is one of those subjects that totally turns me off from religion. The "he does favors" for me statements religious people say. When you win a award the first thing you say is "thank you God, thank you for making me famous, popular, a popular athlete, actor, singer, etc. "Thank you God, for this award, (I deserve it way more than that homeless woman on the corner of 5th and Main!")
Another one that makes me cringe is when there is a natural disaster and someone says, thanks to God that I'm alive, he and I are close, (so what?), (you have connections so your alive and the family next to you who lost their child or father didn't so they died? And you were spared?)
It sounds so rude and mean when people say this. Why thank him for still being on earth and not in heaven?
Makes no sense to me. Even makes me upset sometimes because it's such an ego driven statement.
This sort of contradicts the old "the meek will inherit the earth" sentiment doesn't it?
I mean it makes your relationship with God sound more like a relationship with a magic Jeanie in a bottle or something. Or a good luck charm.

[Arjay51]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

One of the major misunderstandings between atheists and believers is the claim that believers actually have a communication between themselves and God. I am wondering how this communication actually works. From my point of view I can't see any evidence of a human being who is communicating with an advanced entity or God or whatever you want to call it. I'd like to ask this question to believers, if you truly believe that you're having a conversation or communication with God could you explain exactly how it works? God is supposedly invisible and can't be detected but people believe that they are communicating with him and there is a two way conversation taking place. Let me ask a couple of questions. First of all, if you can't even see God how do you know that he really exists? Also, if you ask a question and he answers, how do you know that it's not all in your head?

Didn't you ever have an imaginary friend? Even as a child? If you did, the answers to your questions would be obvious.

[Huckleberry3911948]

i cant see my retirement annuity but they keep sending the checks right on time.

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

i cant see my retirement annuity but they keep sending the checks right on time.

we the people didn't see the balances either.

[revealed]

Where the 401k has shrunk to a 101k.

[effie g-tad]

what are you talking about? high fidelity?

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by twiggy

So, I have to ask, would you have developed the same relationship with God if he didn't heal you?

This is one of those subjects that totally turns me off from religion. The "he does favors" for me statements religious people say. When you win a award the first thing you say is "thank you God, thank you for making me famous, popular, a popular athlete, actor, singer, etc. "Thank you God, for this award, (I deserve it way more than that homeless woman on the corner of 5th and Main!")
Another one that makes me cringe is when there is a natural disaster and someone says, thanks to God that I'm alive, he and I are close, (so what?), (you have connections so your alive and the family next to you who lost their child or father didn't so they died? And you were spared?)
It sounds so rude and mean when people say this. Why thank him for still being on earth and not in heaven?
Makes no sense to me. Even makes me upset sometimes because it's such an ego driven statement.
This sort of contradicts the old "the meek will inherit the earth" sentiment doesn't it?
I mean it makes your relationship with God sound more like a relationship with a magic Jeanie in a bottle or something. Or a good luck charm.

Actually I would have to say yes, because there were things that God didn't heal me from instantaneously. There were things that I would pray for and God didn't heal me. So, I didn't get mad at God, I just said if it is meant for me to be healed then I will.

I never said anything about God doing me a favor for me because I was so good or His pick. I simply trusted God for what He said that He would do. I was sick for many years from birth and doctors didn't have a cure for me. I prayed to God and didn't hear a thing. So, I left it up to God and their were things that I was healed right then, and their were things that I was healed later.

So, If God had not healed me, I would have loved Him anyway.

Know you may have a problem with people who thank God for what He has done in their life but that does not change what God has done in their life.

I can't say why things in others lifes go the way that they do, I can only say why I love and follow God for what He was done in my life. I am know better than anyone else. I was saved from dieing and I'm grateful to God everyday, it doesn't matter to me that someone may get made because they are having a ruff day or seeing what others are going through.

I can only speak for myself and what I have been through. I have experienced family dieing and horrible things in my life that people wouldn't even imagine. But God is the one that brought me through those things, if not I would be dead. You can take it how ever you want to take it, but this is how I feel.

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Nashima

You seem to have a good connection with god. Can you ask him to heal everyone in the world with cancer and HIV? Or ask him to atleast send us a cure tomorrow.

I have prayed for people, it is up to God in the things that He will do.

[WithAllDueRespect]

Originally Posted by aiangel_writer

it's simple MG, faith...and I know that just brings up more and more questions and has you scratching your head and/or shaking it at me. I don't know how else to explain it.

What a cop out