Bishop Spong on Evolution (genesis, verse, philosophical, organization)

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by agnostic soldier

Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution shouldn't be buying antibiotics since all they're doing is proving evolution to be true.

There yah go! What if we removed all medical and bioscience benefits from devout fundy Xtians who bad-mouth science? No heart tranplants, certanily no DNA-based anti-rejection drugs; no disease-modifying drugs like, say, Enbrel. No dialysis machines... Nothing based on biochemistry, 'cause it's all a hoax, I tell yah!

BTW, did you catch that line in the video that Troop posted somewhere yesterday about Evolution, where the kid smarmingly stating that "DNA is a hoax. It stands for DeoxyRiboNucleic ACID...", he sneared, "and you know that acid eats things, so if there were acid in us, we'd just dissolve!"

Wowy! Hard to argue with THAT logic, i'n it? I wonder if that kid is a Sunday School teacher?

[albion]

Probably, with that scalpel like reasoning how could he not be?

[LargeKingCat]

Your good thoughts and your suggestion (last line above, in blue) are laudible, but they'd rather hunt you down and burn your petutee at the stake than EVER concede that sort of power to you. Never concede to rational objective curiosity, to knowledge, to the proper education of our children.


THANKS
As for the proper education of our children, my son was upset because someone at school told him that people like us go to hell when we die because we don;t believe in God
I pointed out that one, we do believe in God, just not THEIR God, and two Hell is a myth and I tool a timeline of religion and showed him exactly where and how the myth involved, then used logic and reason to dissect the myth and my son, being a gifted student, understood.
(I also pointed out that the behavior of the other student was the norm for when someone like my son openly goes against the group; I pointed out too that Christians are generally very nasty people, especially when someone goes against their beliefs, this student being a perfect example)

I also pointed out that Hell was a big tactic used mainly by Middle Age European Christian movements as a scare tactic, and it holds over with the fundy/conservatives of today.
And In regards to Christianity, I left him with the question to ponder: "How has that worked out for everybody so far?"
I could list wars, mental illness, addictions, ignroance, etc etc but time and space here on this forum do not permit such a long winded discourse. I simply put that the negative outweighs the positive, reason outweighs the myth, education and ilteelegence negates the need for superstition, and ALL the Abrahamic religions have that keeps them going is fear and terror....
And I will NOT Be part of fear and terror

And the time needs to be NOW that we as the Human Race put fear and terror aside and move into a more elightened and eduacted world in which we are fully capable.

There is an excellent book out called Towing Jehova written by James Morrow. The premise of the novel (Sci FI) Is that God died and hell from heaven into the sea, and the dead body of God caused a panic amongst the religious, until one enlightened and guilt-ridden man realized that God died as a way of showing humanity that mankind needs to stand on it's own.
Standing on our own would be putting aside myth and superstition of religion, but it would be beneficial because the energy currently wasted on religious activities (Everything from wasting an hour on Sunday morning at a church to building bombs and recruiting killers) could be used constructively to solve earth's problems, including disease, famine, war (Which would decrease if religion went away) not to mention problems of science, art, mathmatics...the list goes on
Again, the barrier to all this? Religion.
SO we must ask ourselves what do we here in the 21st Century choose? Continue on the path that has not really worked all that well for the past 2000 years or move forward?

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

Since you're so distrustful of science, how can you trust the acceptability of the water coming out of your kitchen faucet? It's very hard to take your criticisms seriously. You seem to want to pick and choose which products of science are valid, from your religious point of view.

I don't distrust science. Science is good. Christianity is responsible for some of the great scientists in the last 2000 years.

You criticize me for picking and choosing what to believe but you're doing the same thing. You'd rather believe that the evidence points to evolution than to creation.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

I don't distrust science. Science is good. Christianity is responsible for some of the great scientists in the last 2000 years.

You criticize me for picking and choosing what to believe but you're doing the same thing. You'd rather believe that the evidence points to evolution than to creation.

I'll ask you again....What evidence for creation? I've never seen any.

[Redisca]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

I'll ask you again....What evidence for creation? I've never seen any.

Just hold on there, my friend. There is plenty of evidence, for example, to suggest that the Universe was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that all of our modern problems stem from the diminution of high-seas piracy. Don't believe in fairy tales those non-Pastafarian infidel scientists are telling you; instead, read Bobby Henderson's thesis. It's quite persuasive. May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.

[PanTerra]

Originally Posted by rifleman

There yah go! What if we removed all medical and bioscience benefits from devout fundy Xtians who bad-mouth science? No heart tranplants, certanily no DNA-based anti-rejection drugs; no disease-modifying drugs like, say, Enbrel. No dialysis machines... Nothing based on biochemistry, 'cause it's all a hoax, I tell yah!

BTW, did you catch that line in the video that Troop posted somewhere yesterday about Evolution, where the kid smarmingly stating that "DNA is a hoax. It stands for DeoxyRiboNucleic ACID...", he sneared, "and you know that acid eats things, so if there were acid in us, we'd just dissolve!"

Wowy! Hard to argue with THAT logic, i'n it? I wonder if that kid is a Sunday School teacher?

Good Lord! That is just so sad, better not drink any orange juice or have italian dressing on that salad.

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

I'll ask you again....What evidence for creation? I've never seen any.

and I'll tell you once AGAIN. This time pay attention so you don't have to ask again...

Look at the world around you. You can't get something from nothing. Our existence is proof of creation.

[jbird82]

I've stated this before, but the religious only want to discuss science when it's convenient to their cause. I mean, come on, these scientists who support evolution dedicate their careers and lives to the study. Yet, the religious come on here saying these scientists got it wrong, because they aren't feeling it. It's a bunch of bs and I wonder what the real agenda is. Almost no one in the world today buys this intelligent design stuff. I couldn't even imagine having a serious conversation with someone in person on this issue.

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by jbird82

I've stated this before, but the religious only want to discuss science when it's convenient to their cause. I mean, come on, these scientists who support evolution dedicate their careers and lives to the study.

You're no different. You choose to ignore the stuff that disagrees with your perceptions.

Yet, the religious come on here saying these scientists got it wrong, because they aren't feeling it. It's a bunch of bs and I wonder what the real agenda is. Almost no one in the world today buys this intelligent design stuff. I couldn't even imagine having a serious conversation with someone in person on this issue.

Explain how science can tell us the way the universe began, please. Until then, please shut the heck up about ignoring evidence. Because the mere existence of the universe points to the existence of a creator.