Discussing the Quran and the Bible - Not the same treatment (souls, translation)

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

I'm a documentary junkie and have watched documentary after documentary about Christianity, Judaism, church history, Jewish history and so on. Often there are proponents and critics who are featured. On the other hand, I think I have seen two documentaries on the history of Islam and I notice the documentaries are very careful not to say anything too critical or leave too many open questions as if to imply the religion is just another man-made production.

Your observations/thoughts?

[MI-IRISH]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

I'm a documentary junkie and have watched documentary after documentary about Christianity, Judaism, church history, Jewish history and so on. Often there are proponents and critics who are featured. On the other hand, I think I have seen two documentaries on the history of Islam and I notice the documentaries are very careful not to say anything too critical or leave too many open questions as if to imply the religion is just another man-made production.

Your observations/thoughts?

big shock there,they don't say anything because they don't want to "offend" ali or ala or whatever they bow to.I have learned over the past few years in this political correct mandate enviroment that "we" can't offend them or their religion...works both ways...that crap is offensive to me,and i pay taxes here

[elwill]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

I'm a documentary junkie and have watched documentary after documentary about Christianity, Judaism, church history, Jewish history and so on. Often there are proponents and critics who are featured. On the other hand, I think I have seen two documentaries on the history of Islam and I notice the documentaries are very careful not to say anything too critical or leave too many open questions as if to imply the religion is just another man-made production.

Your observations/thoughts?

what can i say ? , i'm allready muslim , so my thought will be seem as to be biased

anyway ,when it come with discussing the authenticity of quran no one can critices it , because it's fact that we have the same quran word by word as it was revealed 1400 years ago .


quran transmitted from generation to generation orally , most of muslims were illeterate in this time and most of them memorized whole quran in thier heart .
even today arab themselfs memorize the quran orally not by reading , you can't recite the quran in the same manner mohammed teached his followers if you just read it , you need to hear the pronouncation and learn it

quran preserved by it's original pronouncation not by just words written in the book

[teejuris]

The treatment of the Bible vs. the Qu'ran is very different. I believe the bottomline reason for this is FEAR. Although God inspired the Bible to be written, both the Qu'ran and Bible were written by man. However, when "researchers" challenge the authenticity of the Bible on this fact/ground/basis-in the sense the Bible has been tampered w/ because there have been so many translations; that meaning, language and words have been changed as a result-they disregard this same argument re: the Qu'ran and don't discuss the Qu'ran in the same fashion. It's as if they totally thwart this argument when discussing the Qu'ran; as if there is no way anyone could have erroneoulsly "translated" or changed the Qu'ran, although it, too, was written by man. How can anyone GURANTEE the language in the Qu'ran hasn't been changed in the same manner "they're" alleging and declaring the Bible has? No one. That's why it's clear there's bias. The explanation for this bias is simple: Many people don't openly challenge the Qu'ran because, in this day and time, they're aware Muslim extremists wouldn't hesitate to hunt them down, kill them and then kill themselves, or do so simultaneously. Based on previous and current examples/conditions, we have witnessed and been exposed to elements/segments of Islamic radicalism, which often results in demise and destruction. It wouldn't take much for Muslim extremists to declare "jihad" on challengers of the Qu'ran. That's why many people don't bother Muslims.But even more significantly, the Bible is attacked so vehemently because it is the Word of Truth. As a result, the devil has to work craftily and relentlessly to try to destroy and disqualify the Bible as well as its Christian followers. The devil wants people's souls, so he deceives them to believe the Bible is trvial or questionable. He preys on weak, challenged and ungrounded folk. What he doesn't understand or refuses to accept is he has NO power. God always gets/has the victory in the beginning, middle and end!

[syberpriend]

Well I dont agree with your point of view teejuris, its historicaly proven that Quran is never been tempered, where as Chrsitian scholars shamelessly agree that Bible is tempered and altered many of times, what proof u require more? isn't this the proof that the RSV Catholic version have 73 books, where as protestants have 66 books of Bible? and y there are so many versions of Bible? Please dont tell me that version and translation is same, there's a huge difference between them

Bible was not writen in Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) own time, and he never commanded or told any1 to write Bible, where as Quran was stored in the time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him).

U read complete Quran, quote me any verse whic correspond to human saying, unline in Bible, where John, Mathew, Mark etc etc have their own wordings and assumptions.

We muslims believe that Bible, Toorah, Zuboor are word of God, but very less is preserved in these books, all is changed and tempered. whereas u can take any Quran in any part of world, of any time, its same all the way since it was revealed.

We believe in all the prophets sent by God to mankind, including Adam, Elijah, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Ismael, Moses, Jesus (Peace be Upon Them). But the way these prophets were mentioned in bible, and their character is too much humilitated is worse, whereas in quran, they are addressed wit respect and honour.

if u say many ppl dont bother muslims, its ur mistake, u r living in darknessmy friend, or far away from truth, just do little search on google for fastest growing religion in the world, and fastest spreading religion in world, u will know.

Christianity was spread by force, and out of many, 1 example is of Philipinnes, where spanish christians forced ppl into christianity, they killed the males, raped females and tortured them a lot. its all writen in history.

Readers can check the following link for Bible authencity and know the truth themselves

IS THE BIBLE GOD'S WORD? - By Ahmed Deedat

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

I'm a documentary junkie and have watched documentary after documentary about Christianity, Judaism, church history, Jewish history and so on. Often there are proponents and critics who are featured. On the other hand, I think I have seen two documentaries on the history of Islam and I notice the documentaries are very careful not to say anything too critical or leave too many open questions as if to imply the religion is just another man-made production.

Your observations/thoughts?

I've seen a couple of documenteries on History about Islam. I don't think they held back.

They mentioned that Muhammad never wrote the Qur'an, that it was only written down, by many different people, by their rememberence of what Muhammad said.

Any logical thinking person can instantly see that this does not a holy book make.

[eanassir]

The Quran is the word of God: word by word and letter by letter

In this respect, it is only comparable to the Ten Words of God inscribed on the Tablets of Stone in their original language and their original letters.

While what you see now of the Bible: it is only the translation from some intermediary Latin or Greek sources: the original Hebrew and Aramaic Torah and Gospel are lost.

The Quran is the word of God revealed by the angel Gabriel: who revealed it to Prophet Mohammed, who in his turn conveyed it to people, and ordered them to write it down: a group of ayat after other groups and to put them in some sooras or chapters.

Prophet Mohammed honestly conveyed the ayat as did he hear them from the angel: some of such ayat, he knew and others like the letters at the start of some soora he did not their meaning; but he coveyed all that as did he hear from the angel.

This is in the Quran 26: 192-195 [The interpretation is according to Mohammed-Ali Hasan al-Hilly, the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible]
وَإِنَّهُ لَتَنزِيلُ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ . نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُ . عَلَى قَلْبِكَ لِتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُنذِرِينَ . بِلِسَانٍ عَرَبِيٍّ مُّبِينٍ ..الخ

The explanation:
(And the [Quran] is the revealing of the Lord of the worlds.

The 'Trustworthy Ghost' came down with it,

Upon your heart [O Mohammed], that you should become [one] of those who warn.

In a fluent Arabic language.

[The tales of the prophets in the Quran] is [even written] in the scriptures of the ancients [which were in Hebrew and Syrianic, while you, Mohammed, are Arabian and do not know these languages, in addition to being illiterate: cannot read and write Arabic. Moreover, the stories in the scriptures of the ancients had been distorted, while it came in a most correct way in the Quran; so will they not contemplate that and believe?]

Was it not a sign for them [of the truthfulness of Mohammed] that the doctors [of Law] of the Children of Israel have acknowledged that? [And in fact they asked these doctors who answered: "Yes, these stories are written in our books.]

But had We revealed [the Quran] to one of the non-Arab,

And [this non-Arab man] had rehearsed it to them [: the Arab], they would not have believed in it.

As such have We made it traverse the hearts of the guilty [of these Arab among your people; and they do not believe, all the same as if the Quran was non-Arabic]:

[Who] will not believe in [the Quran; because We do not guide them due to their wrong-doing and bad manner] until they see the painful chastisement.

And the [death] will come upon them suddenly, while they are not aware.

They will – then – say: "Shall we be respited [so that we may convert and work some righteous work]?")

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

I've seen a couple of documenteries on History about Islam. I don't think they held back.

Wish I saw those.

They mentioned that Muhammad never wrote the Qur'an, that it was only written down, by many different people, by their rememberence of what Muhammad said.

Hope none of their fanatics doesn't know your address.

Any logical thinking person can instantly see that this does not a holy book make.

I agree.

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

Wish I saw those.



Hope none of their fanatics doesn't know your address.



I agree.

They show them every now and again. Keep an eye out.

I hope the fanatics do know my address. It starts with .357 I fear no religious nuts, except those who are elected into office.

BTW, Eanassir,

When someone disproves your position with facts and data, and then you simply quote the thing that was disproved, is similar to a kid in the playground saying, "nu uh!"

[DaniMae1]

Well Insane I suppose the reason they hold back is because they fear revenge from the fanantics. At least with Christianity one doesn't have to live in fear of being blown up by one of them.