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Oh, I think Catholicism is admirable. At the same time, I believe it embraces any number of traditions that are neither Scriptural nor remotely Christian. A long time ago, I would offer that Catholicism became far more interested in its institutional self-interest then reflecting Christ's teachings.
Oh, I think Catholicism is admirable. At the same time, I believe it embraces any number of traditions that are neither Scriptural nor remotely Christian. A long time ago, I would offer that Catholicism became far more interested in its institutional self-interest then reflecting Christ's teachings.
How do you spread the faith without infrastructure?
Though infrastructure can go wrong in terms of power, greed and land, as it happened with the Papacy.
But, without infrastructure, posterity will simply not have it.
I must say to Antoni that the Roman Catholic was the first body to be organize and lead the missionary work that the apostolic and church fathers left when they were martyred.. but due to the corruptness of the RCC that Protestantism rose and it was the RCC who actually persecuted the body itself when christian opposed its doctrines. If anyone had read the church history, during the 19th century.. it was the time when the great revival was made, as the christian truly preach the gospel both prtestants and catholics
I must say to Antoni that the Roman Catholic was the first body to be organize and lead the missionary work that the apostolic and church fathers left when they were martyred.. but due to the corruptness of the RCC that Protestantism rose and it was the RCC who actually persecuted the body itself when christian opposed its doctrines. If anyone had read the church history, during the 19th century.. it was the time when the great revival was made, as the christian truly preach the gospel both prtestants and catholics
Sorry, Pinoy, any reformer of a system will stay within and crusade for its correction. Not form a break away sect for more control and power. I don't buy Protestantism and the reason it was born. It was a lame excuse for a new organization.
How do you spread the faith without infrastructure?
Though infrastructure can go wrong in terms of power, greed and land, as it happened with the Papacy.
But, without infrastructure, posterity will simply not have it.
Oh, I agree that there has to be a structure and hierarchy. No question about it. But what happens when the needs of the hierarchy take precedent over the church's historical mission.
We need not look any further back than the child molestation scandal that rocked the church a few years back. By the church's own admission, priests by the thousands molested youths in their parishes. The church's response was to not defrock the priests and hand them over to the authorities. Instead, it was to quietly pay off the families and ship the offending priest to another unsuspecting parish where he could prey again. In fact, while the church has been chastened in the United States for this outrageous behavior, it continues to behave in this way elsewhere in the world.
Mind you, this wasn't one priest in one diocese. This was literally hundreds and hundreds of priests all over the country who were essentially abetted by the church's policy, all because it wanted to avoid scandal. That is a perfect instance of the needs of the institution becoming far more important than fulfilling the institution's mission itself.
Sorry, Pinoy, any reformer of a system will stay within and crusade for its correction. Not form a break away sect for more control and power. I don't buy Protestantism and the reason it was born. It was a lame excuse for a new organization.
Well, given that dissenters from Hus to Wycliffe to Savonorola were all burned at the stake for trying to reform a corrupt organization from within, whose arguments are more lame?
Seriously. I respect Catholics. But its defenders really ought to study their own church history before blasting away.
Well, given that dissenters from Hus to Wycliffe to Savonorola were all burned at the stake for trying to reform a corrupt organization from within, whose arguments are more lame?
Seriously. I respect Catholics. But its defenders really ought to study their own church history before blasting away.
You just can't assume I lack study, cp
I'm a catholic since birth. I can be its worst critic and its most passionate defender.
I know everything where the church went wrong, be it the crusades or pornocracy or the wrangling within European feudalism, the reformation, the warrior popes down to the grievances of the sedevacantists.
Interesting you mention Savonorola. He was no icon to be emulated. He was a radical who advocated public arsony of art and literature. It's this brand of taliban-like furore which has crept into protestantism down to the SDA's or the born-again's today, them "you go to hell" christians.
You don't seek to fix the system, get out of it and form your own sect, to repeat the same errors, say, anti-semitism. Why does noone speak about Lutheran anti-semitism or anti-judaic diatribe?
Protestantism should not have been born. The dissidents must have fixed the system. There is no excuse for a new sect. It's just power, money and property, which you want to have so bad since the corrupt people within the catholic church denied it to you.
I'm a catholic since birth. I can be its worst critic and its most passionate defender.
I know everything where the church went wrong, be it the crusades or pornocracy or the wrangling within European feudalism, the reformation, the warrior popes down to the grievances of the sedevacantists.
Interesting you mention Savonorola. He was no icon to be emulated. He was a radical who advocated public arsony of art and literature. It's this brand of taliban-like furore which has crept into protestantism down to the SDA's or the born-again's today, them "you go to hell" christians.
You don't seek to fix the system, get out of it and form your own sect, to repeat the same errors, say, anti-semitism. Why does noone speak about Lutheran anti-semitism or anti-judaic diatribe?
Protestantism should not have been born. The dissidents must have fixed the system. There is no excuse for a new sect. It's just power, money and property, which you want to have so bad since the corrupt people within the catholic church denied it to you.
A seriously nonsensical post. For reformers of all stripes were routinely crushed by the Catholic church as heretics. After a few centuries of beating one's collective heads against the wall, at what point does it take to realize that the institution itself is incapable of reform? After all, it took the Catholic Church centuries to backtrack on Galileo and Copernicus, let alone its own abuses.
And, to be sure, protestant demoniations have had their excesses. Yet, at the same time, protestants have shown a far more marked capacity for reforming themselves, something the catholic church is institutionally incapable of unless it is forced on them from the outside.
This is the part that cracks me up. It's like cursing your mother because you found out she's a hooker. Without the Catholic Church, there is NO Christianity today, no matter the flavor. As a former Christianity who never used to miss an opportunity to last them and call them the "harlot," I had to actually admit this. Imagine if Theodosius I (the Great) did not stomp out paganism and suppress traditional Roman religion and centralize a one universal [Catholic] church belief, based on a Trinitarian concept? There would be no little bastard churches running around the place today which actually read from the very same Bible the Catholic Church put together and passed down through history.
I've often thought the same thing. I mean, it's so obvious if you look at all the Christian denominations along the spectrum from Catholicism down to Evangelical, non-denominational (the lastest evolution of Christianity - can I say evolution?) First you have the Church of England/Episcopals, then the Lutherans, then the Methodists and Presbyterians, and on and on. With each denomination, they strip one more layer off the Catholic church until you get down to the big box megachurch with the jumbotron, starbucks, hand waving, guitar band, and a snakeoil salesman in an Armani suit and makeup on a stage.
I'm not saying the Catholic Church is right in everything it preaches, but how someone way down the Christian Evolution Scale can believe that they've got it all right, when their version of Christianity didn't even exist however many years ago, is kind of funny.
I'm not saying the Catholic Church is right in everything it preaches, but how someone way down the Christian Devolution Scale can believe that they've got it all right, when their version of Christianity didn't even exist however many years ago, is kind of funny.
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