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Something other than words written in a book, by men you have never met nor seen. How about some Physical proof? How about something documented by science that proves the events?
Why should God prove himself to a people who don't care if he exists any way? you seek after these signs and proofs of a God but not God himself. you want your evidence, stop looking for it. your not going to see anything unless you seek after the source. God. God is the trunk of the tree we are the branches, you wont see any fruit (EVIDENCE) unless you stay connected to the trunk. it's like sex. sex is the fruit of Love. sex was never supposed to be the point but we constantly make it the point. most of us are driven by sex, sex is the focal point, sex is my addiction, sex is the reason I'm in this relationship. but that is so F*** up and backwards. that is not love. you saying "I need evidence! I need proof of God first and than Ill commit" is like saying to a girl/guy "give me sex and than I'll love you". so why shouldn't God reveal himself to you? because just like any smart girl, he wouldn't uncover himself and put himself in a place of vulnerability before someone who doesn't really care about him. somebody who only Lusts. God desires Love and true relationship with you, not just sex. seek God, connect with him and you will find your proof.
It's like this. If it is claimed that God does not care whether we believe in him or not, then one cannot logically believe in hell -threat or even 'separation', because the existence of a punishment for NOT believing says that he does care.
If there is no hellthreat or punishment, then God indeed doesn't care whether we believe in him or not, and we don't need to care either.
how can you determine if God is real or not if you don't actually pursue him? don't expect God to be like "oh im sorry you don't believe here let me do a miracle" God desires relationship and relationship is two way.
you've heard about him rumors, stories you don't know if he's real or not so ask him find out if he is pursue him. God only reveals himself to those who actually want to know him. you sit stubbornly and wait for a sign, but Gods like doofus! who freaken created the universe is that not sign enough for you to want to try and get to know me.
Why should God prove himself to a people who don't care if he exists any way?
you seek after these signs and proofs of a God but not God himself. you want your evidence, stop looking for it. your not going to see anything unless you seek after the source, which is God. God is the trunk of the tree we are the branches, you wont see any fruit (EVIDENCE) unless you stay connected to the trunk. it's like sex. sex is the fruit of Love. sex was never supposed to be the point but we constantly make it the point. most of us are driven by sex, sex is the focal point, sex is my addiction, sex is the reason I'm in this relationship. but it's so F*** up and backwards. it's not love. saying "I need evidence! I need proof of God first and than Ill commit" is like saying to a girl/guy "give me sex and than I'll love you". so why shouldn't God reveal himself to you? because just like any smart girl, he wouldn't uncover himself and put himself in a place of vulnerability before someone who doesn't really care about him. somebody who only Lusts. God desires Love and true relationship with you, not just sex. seek God, connect with him and you will find your proof.
All I can say, is thank you for bringing this '09 thread up.
My day will be changed.
Again, I'm reminded how blessed I am.
I do not know why why why.
But, my head will be sliightly bowed all day.
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Sonofgreene6, you sound to me as very wise...as a teaching tool
you used sex to find something the common person might relate to.
Well done. Sorry manderly, I suppose I could have said this privately to him.
But it is another perspective I felt needed to be said outloud.
Last edited by Miss Hepburn; 08-07-2013 at 08:47 AM..
It's like this. If it is claimed that God does not care
whether we believe in him or not, then one cannot logically believe in hell -threat or
even 'separation', because the existence of
a punishment for NOT believing says that he does care.
If there is no hellthreat or punishment, then God indeed doesn't care whether
we believe in him or not, and we don't need to care either.
You'll never catch me saying God doesn't care!!!!
You can bet on it.
I care, for example, very much if my doggy loves me....there is no threat of
punishment if she doesn't.
I don't agree with your thinking, Arequipa.
This is just another way of saying the existence of god is a load of poppycock. If you apply this logic to god then you have to apply it to everything which would mean we live in a world where werewolves roamed the forest and vampires terrorized towns and countrysides.
This is just another way of saying the existence of god is a load of poppycock. If you apply this logic to god then you have to apply it to everything which would mean we live in a world where werewolves roamed the forest and vampires terrorized towns and countrysides.
Who ya talking to here?
Thanx
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God shouldn't prove himself?
