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here's another challenge for you.. DISPROVE evolution. go ahead, try it! i mean, i know that's a futile request, because your answer will be comprised of regurgitated lines out of your story book, but i'm curious to see what you have to say about it.
It's not a lose/win issue with me. The fact is, your arguments are not based on logic.
I'm not surprised about your reply though. Naturally, when you can't address what I say, you resort to talking about me as a person.
Umm.. yes you misquoted a whole pile of quotes in your post #61 to Funkymonk that belonged mostly to slashsdfz the OP. I thought it was rather odd myself.... and quite confusing.
There will never be 100%, irrefutable evidence of God's existance because that would mean the choice of accepting Him would be taken away. You can't choose to believe in something if there is no way for you to deny it.
I believe a better question would be would you actually want proof? In the words of Joan Osbourne:
"If God had a face what would it look like
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets"
There will never be 100%, irrefutable evidence of God's existance because that would mean the choice of accepting Him would be taken away. You can't choose to believe in something if there is no way for you to deny it.
So long as we acknowledge that the choice has nothing to do with good or evil or sin.
It's simply a matter of evidence. If God exist, he has failed to offer a sufficient amount of evidence to give a reasonable person probably cause to believe he exists.
This isn't a moral choice we are making, it's a standard of proof question.
If all that is true, then doesn't an eternity in hell seem a little extreme as a form of punishment? After all, we wouldn't be getting punished for doing something immoral. We would be getting punished for not being gullible.
So long as we acknowledge that the choice has nothing to do with good or evil or sin.
It's simply a matter of evidence. If God exist, he has failed to offer a sufficient amount of evidence to give a reasonable person probably cause to believe he exists.
This isn't a moral choice we are making, it's a standard of proof question.
If all that is true, then doesn't an eternity in hell seem a little extreme as a form of punishment? After all, we wouldn't be getting punished for doing something immoral. We would be getting punished for not being gullible.
You see I could say here I believe you are unreasonable. As you have done with me. However, I don't believe in name calling because someone believes differently than me.
My question to you is why do you need proof He exists if you don't believe? I don't ask anyone to prove He doesn't exist but yet I have people try and throw proof in my face. I am secure in my beliefs. Are you secure or is that why you demand proof? Would you actually want to proof He existed? How would that make you feel if there were? And then where would faith come in? I ask this because I am curious. I like to know what drives people. I like to learn.
You see I could say here I believe you are unreasonable. As you have done with me. However, I don't believe in name calling because someone believes differently than me.
My question to you is why do you need proof He exists if you don't believe? I don't ask anyone to prove He doesn't exist but yet I have people try and throw proof in my face. I am secure in my beliefs. Are you secure or is that why you demand proof? Would you actually want to proof He existed? How would that make you feel if there were? And then where would faith come in? I ask this because I am curious. I like to know what drives people. I like to learn.
BTW, I am far from gullible.
I don't want to answer for Boxcar, but I agree with him so I will answer as if you are talking to me
I do not believe because there is no proof. If there were proof, I would believe. But I see it as "leaping without looking" to believe on faith without evidence or proof. If it affects nothing, then it doesn't matter what you believe, but if you make decisions and take action based on a groundless belief, you are bound to make mistakes.
I am secure in the beliefs I have seen repeated evidence for, but when life forces me to choose an assumption I get extremely insecure. Evidence-based epistemology works, it's the foundation of science and it's why we are not living in the dark ages.
Thank you for answering. I love hearing others views. I have a couple more if you don't mind...
Would you want to see that proof?
Would you feel forced to believe if God appeared to you or would you find another way of explaining it?
I agree with you if you are forced to choose something it makes you insecure. I feel the same way, especially if I am not sure if it my decision may have been different if I wasn't. I think that is the best way I can put believing in God. It wouldn't be fair to force someone to believe in Him. Because it is a personal choice. I hate it when people preach fire and brimstone (the funny thing about that people is I was raised in a Baptist family!!!! HAHA. My parents didn't raise me that way though). I always thought "who wants to believe in a God that is about nothing else other than burning people?" I know that if I had not known God that I wouldn't want to by listening to some of the people I have listened to along the way. They always made it seem like you absolutely without a shadow of doubt that if you don't believe in God right now that you will go to hell. I always thought that was wrong. I believe that if you live to be 100, that you may find Him in your last breath. And that counts. I don't believe in a time table. A lot may disagree. I have lept a lot blindly, though to be honest, though I did at the time, I don't have many regrets. Because I cherish what I have become. I hope that you find all that you are looking for in life, whatever it may be. I wish that to all of you.
Thank you for answering. I love hearing others views. I have a couple more if you don't mind...
Would you want to see that proof?
Would you feel forced to believe if God appeared to you or would you find another way of explaining it?
I agree with you if you are forced to choose something it makes you insecure. I feel the same way, especially if I am not sure if it my decision may have been different if I wasn't. I think that is the best way I can put believing in God. It wouldn't be fair to force someone to believe in Him. Because it is a personal choice. I hate it when people preach fire and brimstone (the funny thing about that people is I was raised in a Baptist family!!!! HAHA. My parents didn't raise me that way though). I always thought "who wants to believe in a God that is about nothing else other than burning people?" I know that if I had not known God that I wouldn't want to by listening to some of the people I have listened to along the way. They always made it seem like you absolutely without a shadow of doubt that if you don't believe in God right now that you will go to hell. I always thought that was wrong. I believe that if you live to be 100, that you may find Him in your last breath. And that counts. I don't believe in a time table. A lot may disagree. I have lept a lot blindly, though to be honest, though I did at the time, I don't have many regrets. Because I cherish what I have become. I hope that you find all that you are looking for in life, whatever it may be. I wish that to all of you.
If it is true, I would want to see the proof. I don't base my beliefs on biases, or wishes I have. Many horrors are true, and many wonderful things are fiction. I accept that, because I only want to believe what is true, and I do not want to believe what is not true.
If "God appeared to me" I would seriously question my sanity, because there have been many cases where whackos have done things because God appeared to them and told them to. But, with continued affirmation via observable evidence, I would begin to believe (most likely spiraling deeper into insanity..)
here's another challenge for you.. DISPROVE evolution. go ahead, try it! i mean, i know that's a futile request, because your answer will be comprised of regurgitated lines out of your story book, but i'm curious to see what you have to say about it.
What's there to disprove?
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i mean, i know that's a futile request, because your answer will be comprised of regurgitated lines out of your story book, but i'm curious to see what you have to say about it.
