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Sex inside a committed marriage relationship rarely leads to those things. Sex outside marriage leads to many problems. God has rules for us to live by for our protection. Although God revealed these things to us many years ago, they are still relevant today.
News Flash! I am in a monogamous relationship and I don't believe in your invisible friend or any of the ancient superstitions associated with your version of worshiping false gods (they're all false).
It is the respect I have for my wife, not the fear of some silly god that is my reasoning. You're faithful because you fear the retribution of your god, yea, typical non-thing fear motivated behavior, if only christians had the character to develop a personal morality instead of just following the beliefs of their ancient superstition out of fear.
Good for you. Wouldn't you agree, that's the only safe sex?
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and I don't believe in your invisible friend or any of the ancient superstitions associated with your version of worshiping false gods (they're all false).
Even so, surely you agree sex outside a committed relationship is problematic.
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It is the respect I have for my wife, not the fear of some silly god that is my reasoning. You're faithful because you fear the retribution of your god, yea, typical non-thing fear motivated behavior, if only christians had the character to develop a personal morality instead of just following the beliefs of their ancient superstition out of fear.
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To the contrary! I have no reason to fear God's wrath. His wrath has been removed from me (and all true believers). I obey Him for the same reason I obeyed my earthly father, love & respect.
Sex inside a committed marriage relationship rarely leads to those things. Sex outside marriage leads to many problems. God has rules for us to live by for our protection. Although God revealed these things to us many years ago, they are still relevant today.
What god? You have not even established that such an entity exists so stop inventing imaginary friends to express your opinion for you. Express your own opinion please. If you want to establish first that this god entity exists then we can discuss what it's opinion might be. Until then this is a serious conversation and we do not invent imaginary friends in serious conversations. We are adults here. Lets leave imaginary friends to the children to play with.
This is not a thread about god or about extra marital sex. It is about the morality of using pornography. Read the title of the thread. It says "Is Looking At Pornography Immoral?". It does NOT say "Is there a god?" or "What my imaginary friend thinks" or "Should we have sex outside marriage".
What god? You have not even established that such an entity exists so stop inventing imaginary friends to express your opinion for you. Express your own opinion please. If you want to establish first that this god entity exists then we can discuss what it's opinion might be. Until then this is a serious conversation and we do not invent imaginary friends in serious conversations. We are adults here. Lets leave imaginary friends to the children to play with.
This is not a thread about god or about extra marital sex. It is about the morality of using pornography. Read the title of the thread. It says "Is Looking At Pornography Immoral?". It does NOT say "Is there a god?" or "What my imaginary friend thinks" or "Should we have sex outside marriage".
All threads evolve. You should not be surprised by that. Neither should you be surprised by the fact that God comes up in the conversation on the Religion forum.
It's interesting to note that you believe most adults are childish.
All threads evolve. You should not be surprised by that.
I am not. Evolution is a slow gradual change over time. Threads do it all the time.
What YOU are doing is not evolving the thread but derailing it with a complete change of subject. That is massively different to a thread evolving.
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It's interesting to note that you believe most adults are childish.
I said imaginary friends are childish. Do not put words in my mouth. Again this is a thread about whether view pornography is immoral. Not about your imaginary friend OR about sex outside marriage.
Why reply to people at all if you do not want to reply to anything they actually said, but instead want to a) pretend they said things they did not and b) change the subject entirely?
Your bible does not dictate morality to us, nor should it. If you have any arguments for or against porn of your own then let us hear them. Citing the bible or inventing imaginary friends and letting them express your opinions for you is just a cop out.
Even so, surely you agree sex outside a committed relationship is problematic.
Personally, yes, but I cannot and will not attempt to decide this for others, nor is it the place of society through government to decide, regulate and mandate what others may or may not do in their personal lives.
If you are happy with your ancient superstitions, great, but that does not mean that you have the right to impose your superstitions through our government into the personal lives of anyone else.
Even so, surely you agree sex outside a committed relationship is problematic.
Not per se - Since you do insist on going off topic. It depends on too many variable. It is relative. Some people have long relationships outside marriage that are just as committed as marriage. I myself have been in one for 6 years, now with a 11 month old Daughter, no marriage, no problems.
What I think you will find is that if you try and argue that sex outside marriage is bad is that most of your arguments will likely be nothing to do with sex outside marriage but more to do with other things... such as for example... over promiscuity.
I can think of no arguments about sex outside marriage being bad in and of itself per se however, though feel free to adumbrate one or some.
Personally, yes, but I cannot and will not attempt to decide this for others, nor is it the place of society through government to decide, regulate and mandate what others may or may not do in their personal lives.
If you are happy with your ancient superstitions, great, but that does not mean that you have the right to impose your superstitions through our government into the personal lives of anyone else.
Don't we as a society pay a price for this attitude? Teenagers having babies, broken homes, diseases, etc.
Not per se - Since you do insist on going off topic. It depends on too many variable. It is relative. Some people have long relationships outside marriage that are just as committed as marriage. I myself have been in one for 6 years, now with a 11 month old Daughter, no marriage, no problems.
What I think you will find is that if you try and argue that sex outside marriage is bad is that most of your arguments will likely be nothing to do with sex outside marriage but more to do with other things... such as for example... over promiscuity.
I can think of no arguments about sex outside marriage being bad in and of itself per se however, though feel free to adumbrate one or some.
Now you're admitting that long term relationships are better. I agree.
Don't we as a society pay a price for this attitude? Teenagers having babies, broken homes, diseases, etc.
I rest my case. I just predicted that most of your issues would be with promiscuity, not with sex outside marriage.
Marriage is not required in order to avoid disease, broken homes or teenage pregnancy.
More sex education, more and better products for disease and pregnancy prevention, more respect for the power and dangers of sex and less promiscuity are the things you want to fight for. Marriage is not required, nor is Marriage a barrier to disease, promiscuity or pregnancy. It is just a piece of paper with some signatures on it.
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Now you're admitting that long term relationships are better. I agree.
Puh-leese. Do not use the word "admitting" as if you got some confession out of me to something I was not saying all along. Long term relationships can of course help. They are not necessary, but they can help. One can have a "long term relationship" without marriage however. Without the bible. And without inventing imaginary friends as you do.
Nor are long term relationships even required. Better sex education, better disease prevention, better respect for the act of sex, and a reduction in promiscuity will all also work either individually or together. One can be more promiscuous for example if one is also more cautious. Which is more dangerous in terms of disease for example.... sex with one random person you know nothing about, or sex with 20 youve known for a long time and have been certified sexually healthy by doctors.
Much of this is relative and vast generalisations and throw away comments about god and marriage tell us nothing and inform no one.
So don't listen to what I said, then take something Ive said all along and act like you just got some kind of "admission" out of me in order to make yourself look good. It adds nothing, it helps no one, and it is blatantly manipulative, desperate and dishonest of you to boot.
It is also, as I keep pointing out, nothing to do with the thread which is about whether looking at porn is moral or not.... a subject you appear entirely unable to deal with or converse upon.
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