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Old 04-20-2009, 07:48 PM
 
Location: OKC
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...The bible is the truth because it says so in the bible....
And even that might not be true.

The bible might not say that everything in the bible is true.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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Read it again. I said I believe it was created 6000 years ago, but that it isn't 6000 years old. When God created it 6000 years ago, He could have created it to be a billion years old. Just as with Adam, he didn't create him to be an infant, he was full grown as well.
could u make some sence the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 13.5 billion years old.

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Old 04-21-2009, 01:21 AM
 
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how do you know the bible is telling the truth?? the holy bible was written like 2000 years ago the first bible was written by hand... and probablly was used a lot being it was the only bible in existance... and you know all used books get old and worn and have to be rewritten after a period of time say like 50 years.. and each time it gets rewritten the new author adds some new twist and meanings and verses.and forgeries. so how do you know that the holy bible is the holy bible!!! and not the holy bible full of book worms.

and that go's for all the other holy bibles like the Qu'ran.
Well first I would point out that historical discovery is showing us that many of the Biblical stories are true. And second, the Bible unlike all the other religious Books is being confirmed by fulfilled prophecies. The Bible accurately speaks of the past, and equally reveals to us the future of mankind.
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:28 AM
 
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And even that might not be true.

The bible might not say that everything in the bible is true.
2 Timothy 3:16 (All scripture) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:35 AM
 
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The bible is vague and can be interpreted in any way the believing reader wants to interpret the bible. This, however, does not indicate that the bible is true. All the vague concepts fall apart if specifics are requested.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:57 AM
 
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2 Timothy 3:16 (All scripture) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Paul wasn't talking about the Bible here, because the bible did not yet exist. That didn't come along until years later, when the Catholic church decided to compile a "greatest hits" book. Even the old testament didn't exist as a single work of literature.

So what about the books the Catholics decided not to include in the bible? Is the Book of Judas scripture? Isn't it possible that they included one book that didn't belong?

And what makes the stuff the religious people wrote 1000's of years ago any more or less scripture than the stuff religious people today are writing? Is Jimmy Swagart writing Scripture? Is the 700 club any more or less scripture? Are YOU WRITING SCRIPTURE RIGHT NOW?

I don't think that verse can be used to substantiate the position that everything in the bible is true, simply because no one knew which books would be included in the bible at that time. Unless you believe in the infalibility of the Catholic church, there's no reason to think they picked the right books to include in the bible.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:31 AM
 
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The bible is vague and can be interpreted in any way the believing reader wants to interpret the bible. This, however, does not indicate that the bible is true. All the vague concepts fall apart if specifics are requested.
Back in the 1600s Christians stated based on the prophecies of the Bible. Jesus Christ would not return to this world until the Jewish people first returned to the land of Israel, and retook the city of Jerusalem. Their return would anger many nations around the world, and this would result in armies marching againts Israel to retake Jerusalem. It appears the prophecies were not that vague to those Christians. In reality, the prophecies are only vague to those who do not want to believe the Bible.

And of course the Bible tells us most of the world would turn away from the truth of the Bible, and that is why most of the world is headed for Hell.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:41 AM
 
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Paul wasn't talking about the Bible here, because the bible did not yet exist. That didn't come along until years later, when the Catholic church decided to compile a "greatest hits" book. Even the old testament didn't exist as a single work of literature.

So what about the books the Catholics decided not to include in the bible? Is the Book of Judas scripture? Isn't it possible that they included one book that didn't belong?

And what makes the stuff the religious people wrote 1000's of years ago any more or less scripture than the stuff religious people today are writing? Is Jimmy Swagart writing Scripture? Is the 700 club any more or less scripture? Are YOU WRITING SCRIPTURE RIGHT NOW?

I don't think that verse can be used to substantiate the position that everything in the bible is true, simply because no one knew which books would be included in the bible at that time. Unless you believe in the infalibility of the Catholic church, there's no reason to think they picked the right books to include in the bible.
God knew what Books would be in the Bible long before the Church picked them. The Bible has prophecies that accurately fortell the future, no other Book can make that claim. And if that is not the case, could you please name the Book, and the prophecy? The prophecies in the Bible is Gods signature.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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I don't know. . . there's some pretty specific things in the Bible like treat others as you want to be treated, don't kill, don't steal, don't judge others, don't worry, forgive others, love never fails. . .

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The bible is vague and can be interpreted in any way the believing reader wants to interpret the bible. This, however, does not indicate that the bible is true. All the vague concepts fall apart if specifics are requested.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:25 AM
 
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God knew what Books would be in the Bible long before the Church picked them.
But God never said that the thing we call the bible is the book with all the right scriptures in it.

Maybe God was talking about the book of Mormons? God has never endorsed any version of the bible as the official word of God. That verse could

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The Bible has prophecies that accurately fortell the future, no other Book can make that claim. And if that is not the case, could you please name the Book, and the prophecy? The prophecies in the Bible is Gods signature.
Well, some would say Orwell's 1984 was pretty good. There are actually lots of books that predicted the future. Lots of the things we see in science fiction of Asnov eventually came true.

You all have to consider that lots of things predicted DIDN"T come true. For example, Matthew telling people Jesus would return during their time, before they died.
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