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Old 04-22-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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God is a timeless, ageless, and imperfect artifact of human mental systems.
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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It's logical to conclude that he exists outside of space/time.
Not unless you can prove that he exists and is immune to the effects of time.


Learn how logic works, then get back to us.
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:18 PM
 
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If I go to a NY Giants game, and the clock is showing 5 minutes left in the half, do I have time to get a beer before halftime, if it takes me 8 minutes to get a beer?

Yes. How? The 5 minutes is game time. It will stop several times before it expires. 5 minutes of game time is different from 5 minutes of actual time. It will take them over 10 minutes most likely to play the remaining 5 minutes of game time. Actual time is "meta" to game time.

That "time" is within the game. If a player gets hurt, the time is stopped and the player who is hurt gets medical attention on the field. Does this mean he is not getting medical attention since it is happening outside of "time" in the context of the game? Yes and no. He is not getting medical attention in the context of the game's timing; yet meta to the game's own parameters, including its time, he IS getting treatment during the game's actual time.

If God exists and he is metaphysical, that is, above the physical, including our physical concept of "time", then He is not bound by time. Just as I am not bound by the game clock in getting my beer, God is not bound by time in His existence. At the Giants game, I don't start walking when the game clock starts and then freeze wherever I am every time the game clock stops when I go to get a beer. I am not bound by the game's time. I am above that. I am bound by actual time, not game time. God is not bound by the "time" of our world or universe if He is indeed "metaphysical", or above the physicality of our universe.

I hope that helps make it more understandable.
well i think god exist in every partical that is in every univerese!!!! and that another intelegent life form in another galaxy like 13.5 billion years ago was to curiouse and stupid to mess around with partical smashing or colliding science.. in other words they smashed the wrong partical the partical that exist in all particals..and that's what created the big bang.. don't you think it's kina strange that it takes the bigest scientific instrument or machine in the world to find the smallest partical!!!! there is no end to iner space or outer space it's all relative... i think the quark is the smallest partical ever detected by scientific instuments... if the scientific community keeps persuing the quest to know how the universe was created they might recreate the big bang all over again.... god might have set a limit on how small of a partical inteligent life forms could smash...if the individual partical that god set as the triger were to be smashed it will create a chainreaction and poof!!!! we are all gone... don't you think that god would set limits for inteligent life... if inteligent life could figure out how particals were created they might be come as powerfull as the creator himself... and no creator would let that happen..

moral of the story is curiosity killed the cat.
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:33 PM
 
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well i think god exist in every partical that is in every univerese!!!! and that another intelegent life form in another galaxy like 13.5 billion years ago was to curiouse and stupid to mess around with partical smashing or colliding science.. in other words they smashed the wrong partical the partical that exist in all particals..and that's what created the big bang.. don't you think it's kina strange that it takes the bigest scientific instrument or machine in the world to find the smallest partical!!!! there is no end to iner space or outer space it's all relative... i think the quark is the smallest partical ever detected by scientific instuments... if the scientific community keeps persuing the quest to know how the universe was created they might recreate the big bang all over again.... god might have set a limit on how small of a partical inteligent life forms could smash...if the individual partical that god set as the triger were to be smashed it will create a chainreaction and poof!!!! we are all gone... don't you think that god would set limits for inteligent life... if inteligent life could figure out how particals were created they might be come as powerfull as the creator himself... and no creator would let that happen..

moral of the story is curiosity killed the cat.
Um....could you restate this for me? Could you simplify it for me a little?
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No, I didn't read the link because I don't need man to tell me when you go backwards to Adam and Eve, you have about 6000 years. That's all fine and good. But we're not talking about Adam and Eve...

First, the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. No one knows when the "beginning" was. No one knows how long it sat void before God created the light. Could've been a day, could've been a billion years.

Second, why does that not make sense? When He created Adam, He created him an adult, right? A full grown, older man. So then why couldn't He have created the earth full grown, at any age He wanted?
I don't think what the bible says has much to do with the question...There were many many gods before the bible came into existence. The god of your bible is just the one you happen to believe in.
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:53 PM
 
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I don't think what the bible says has much to do with the question...There were many many gods before the bible came into existence. The god of your bible is just the one you happen to believe in.
The question is, how old is God? Everyone has assumed it's referring to the God of the Bible.
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:00 PM
 
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The question is, how old is God? Everyone has assumed it's referring to the God of the Bible.
No I don't think so, at least I didn't. I suppose that is because in my book one god is as good (or bad) as another. Judging by the posts I am not alone in thinking the question was not entirely about the biblical god
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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you mean like when is his birthday or something?
my best shot is his son, around christmas sometime.
Haha. Of course, Christmas was a Pagan Winter Solstice celebration (just like Eostre for the Spring equinox) before melding with Christian mythology.


I'd say God is 42 years old.
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:30 PM
 
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I will make it a point to ask HIM, when I get to see HIM....

I hope that your with me when I do!

May the LORD Bless each of you.

I wish you well...

Jesse
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Old 04-22-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Haha. Of course, Christmas was a Pagan Winter Solstice celebration (just like Eostre for the Spring equinox) before melding with Christian mythology.

I'd say God is 42 years old.
No, Christmas was always Christmas and Pagan Winter Solstices were always Pagan Winter Solstices. Christmas was never a Pagan Winter Solstice, though.
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