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• Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
It's usually not good when you make a posting this long...but discredit yourself with the very first example. If you are going to quote, quote accurately.
Isaiah 7:14 (and I'm talking about the original, not a rehashed version) reads thusly: "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
There was never any mention of a "virgin." That was a mistranslation of the original Aramaic.
But the point about this quotation that has always fascinated me--since it is so often held up as some sort of proof for Jesus as the Messiah--is this: who was this Immanuel person? It certainly wasn't Jesus, which is a Greek corruption of his name (Joshua).
Yeah, is there any evidence that they called Jesus Immanual? And why would they call him Jesus if his name was manny?
When you write the story, you can make it fulfill anything you want it to. Matt was not above taking some serious liberties with Old Testament passages to fit Jesus into.
Jesus didn't come to earth to be God or to start a religion.
Jesus came to earth to show us a path to god
to show us how to be in relationship with God.
Jesus said basically "anything I can do you can do better"
and he came as a living breathing human person so we would believe him,
so he would have credibility, "street cred."
He came as the great example, not as the great exception.
We are all God's children.
Jesus said watch me, now you do it too.
most interesting. you say, "... a path to god" and "to be in relationship with god"
the thinkers of those days were seekers of THE path, imho. not to say, it would be a mainstream, but one on which every individual would be received and welcomed into the whole of mankind.
From as early as 4th grade at P.S 47 in the Bronx back in the mid 70s, I developed a great passion for reading Greek and Roman myths. I think I was drawn to them because they featured similar elements to the Christan myth I grew up believing (as fact) back on the island of St. Kitts where I was raised by a religious grandmother. While some of the myths have various tellings, two of them I recall vividly and they are the myths of Dionysus (Bacchus) and Heracles (Hercules). Both were "sons of god" (Zeus), born to moral women impregnated by the divine. Both were also men of great earthly stature in one form or another and both met untimely deaths in their prime, however, both were "resurrected" and taken to Olympus (heaven), placed on the "right hand" of their father (Zeus) ans became (demi) gods in their own right to live forevermore.
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The divinity of Jesus was a later Christian invention found only in one Gospel, John.
God has not any son or daughter
Christians adopted the idea of Jesus being the son of God from the Greek myths, and the idea of the salvation through the suffering of Jesus from the Indian Kreshna.
The mission of any apostle cannot be other than ordering people to devote themselves to God alone.
Moreover, the idea of the "son of God" is not logical neither is it reasonable.
How can God have any son when He has not any wife or girl-friend?
This is in the Quran 6: 101
بَدِيعُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ أَنَّى يَكُونُ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَمْ تَكُن لَّهُ صَاحِبَةٌ وَخَلَقَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ وهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ ...الخ
The explanation:
(The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How should there be any child for Him, seeing that He has no wife, and He created all things [so if He had had any child, He would have told people about that], and is All-Aware of every things?
Therefore, that [Originator of the heavens and the earth] is God your Lord; there is no god but He [alone] the Creator of everything, so worship Him [but worship not others]; for He keeps guard over all things.)
When you write the story, you can make it fulfill anything you want it to.
You mean I could start writing the Book of Fred, and tie up all these loose ends regarding prophecies? (Don't worry; I'll make sure not to refer to anyone named Immanuel. That would only cause confusion).
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