So you're anti-gay...because your church says you should be? (agnostics, suicide)

[jennaflorrie]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

I am SOOO glad you posted here.

Because for awhile, I was beginning to think all the crazy people were from America. (Please don't tell me your an American on holiday in England.)

LOL......HAHAHAHAH....Why is my post so hilarious.....is it because I am bringing you the truth. The truth you want to ignore. God does not want anyone to perish, he died to make a way for people to get to heaven and escape hell. But God has said repeatedly the Bible - that homosexuallity is a sin. There are lots of sins....of course....but homosexuality is also a sin. Now if that is true, surely God has made a way of escape from it? There are many men and women who have successfully turned their back on previous sinful lifestyles. God does give strength to the weak. But he also calls those who love him, to abandon their dirty little deeds - Take up their Cross and follow him. He is there every step of the journey to help us.

Gay men and women can never ever marry - not really. Adam was created - God breathed life into him. Eve came from Adam. God did not breathe life into Eve. She already existed. God drew her from Adam.
Marriage is when that TWO flesh become ONE once more. Two men or Two women just cannot do that. Marriage is a mysterious spiriutal union. satan wants to rob people of who they truly are and who they can be. He lies to us, tells us "You can't help being like that" "Thats just the way you are made" - if what we hear in the media, in the Politically Correct arenas of this world CONTRADICTS God - then it is Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Love you all. Gay, Straight, sinners, saints......Hope God speaks to your hearts and reveals his truth. xxx

[Mooseketeer]

Originally Posted by jennaflorrie

LOL......HAHAHAHAH....Why is my post so hilarious.....is it because I am bringing you the truth. The truth you want to ignore. God does not want anyone to perish, he died to make a way for people to get to heaven and escape hell. But God has said repeatedly the Bible - that homosexuallity is a sin. There are lots of sins....of course....but homosexuality is also a sin. Now if that is true, surely God has made a way of escape from it? There are many men and women who have successfully turned their back on previous sinful lifestyles. God does give strength to the weak. But he also calls those who love him, to abandon their dirty little deeds - Take up their Cross and follow him. He is there every step of the journey to help us.

Gay men and women can never ever marry - not really. Adam was created - God breathed life into him. Eve came from Adam. God did not breathe life into Eve. She already existed. God drew her from Adam.
Marriage is when that TWO flesh become ONE once more. Two men or Two women just cannot do that. Marriage is a mysterious spiriutal union. satan wants to rob people of who they truly are and who they can be. He lies to us, tells us "You can't help being like that" "Thats just the way you are made" - if what we hear in the media, in the Politically Correct arenas of this world CONTRADICTS God - then it is Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Love you all. Gay, Straight, sinners, saints......Hope God speaks to your hearts and reveals his truth. xxx

You are bringing us YOUR truth not THE truth. Big difference. You thinking you are somehow blessed with the only truth is just a tad arrogant and a little ( OK a lot ) erroneous.

You "know" you are right believing in your god and I "know" I am right not believing in any. Your "knowledge" is no greater than mine.

And marriage is in most societies still only between a man and a woman because of majority rule. It is a social consstruct. Simply a societal rite of passage. We straight people have defined the rules and somehow I don't see how we have the right to legislate the right to the love between two individuals simply because it does not fit our cosy little picture of normality. Simply because YOU believe homosexuality is a sin does not make true.

If god so disapproves of Gay people he has done a pretty poor job of showing us his wrath since the dawn of time. Same on issues like murder, rape, slavery, exploitation, war etc... Free will, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

No offence but why exactly should we follow all these dictates and dogma when there is no evidence whatsoever for a god anyway ?
Are we simply to trust that because you and other people "know" the"truth" we should accept your word ?

How come this logic does not go both ways. I "know" there is no god therefore you must become an Atheist at once.

[kb09]

Originally Posted by TKramar

Yes, I do. Even though I'm personally uncomfortable with homosexuals, their choices to intermarry have no effect on my life.

Good for you! I am so glad that even though you may not agree wtih homosexuality and homosexuals that you still support their civil right for marriage.

[Abs42]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

I have an appalling hand-writing even though I use my "smart" hand. I should have been a Doctor because I am mostly illegible unless I try my best and end up vaguely legible ! I did try for a while to write with my right-hand but it was very uncomfortable physically and the results looked even worse...

I am more or less ambidextrous in terms of usage but not of writing. Mind you for some bizarre reasons I can only use scissors with my right-hand , I guess because the normal scissors are made for right-handed people and I obviously got used to it.

I never really understood what all the fuss was about in the first place. Why should it matter which hand you write with ?

I remember a friend of my Grand-Father when I was little telling him I would be academically retarded if I was not "de-programmed" . Nice words ! it made me feel so good...

I am left-handed too - does that make us the "norm" on this thread?
I had it easy really, my school were fine, my mum bought me left-handed pens, scissors etc, now my husband is left-handed, and so is one of our two kids, so to be right-handed in our house is the odd-one-out - I do feel sorry for my right-handed boy - most things in the house are left-handed orientated.
I could no more "make" myself right-handed than fly to the moon - I can't make any sort of meaningful shapes with a pen in my right-hand.
I can understand how it would be useful to be ambi-dextrous, but not why you would feel "abnormal" to be left-handed - what a peculiar notion!

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by jennaflorrie

LOL......HAHAHAHAH....

God does not want anyone to perish, he died to make a way for people to get to heaven and escape hell.

I will ignore the rest of you rant as the ramblings of a mad woman.

But here is one question I do have: If God didn't want people to go to hell, why did he kick us out of the Garden of Eden in the first place? What did he gain by kicking us out of paradise, if he just had to send his son to die to let us back in again. After all, if the only criteria to get back into paradise is to believe in Jesus, I'm sure Adam and Eve could have qualified right then and there. They should never of had to leave. No reason to get Jesus killed just because God over-reacted.

God over reacted, made a big deal out of nothing, and ended up getting jesus killed.

[Abs42]

Originally Posted by jennaflorrie

Gay men and women can never ever marry - not really. Adam was created - God breathed life into him. Eve came from Adam. God did not breathe life into Eve. She already existed. God drew her from Adam.
Marriage is when that TWO flesh become ONE once more. Two men or Two women just cannot do that. Marriage is a mysterious spiriutal union.

But I wasn't "drawn" from my husband's side, so, we shouldn't be able to be "one flesh" again either - we descended from our ancestors, just the same as our brothers and sisters did - so what is the difference if my husband had wanted to marry my brother?
Your spiel is just so much word salad - with far too much dressing on it!
Marriage isn't a "mysterious spiritual union" it is a social nicety for people to be legally and emotionally bound to each other in order to help with boring stuff like who inherits from whom and who has legal rights over any kids.
If it is "mysterious" to you I would suggest that you don't understand it enough to consent to it and should do further research before you attempt that level of a relationship.

[Jaymax]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

Here I was discussing the "merits" of Paul Newman and Steve Mc Queen the other day with my boyfriend and he said to me : " I would always go for Paul Newman, he was a babe , I feel Steve Mc Queen would not be faithful and I could not trust him , he would play the field" . I must admit I looked at him in a whole new light.

Mind you we also always discuss the merits of women and I do chip in about whom I would pick if I was a man/Gay. Oddly enough we have the same tastes both in men and women. Spooky...

Strewth !! as you Aussies would say ! Maybe both he and I have a few Kangaroos loose in the top paddock !

*laugh* Sounds like a match made in...Heaven

Ask him if he finds this woman attractive...

http://www.creativirge.com/misc/christinacox.jpg (broken link)
Christina Cox from Blood Ties. She reminds me a lot of my partner.

[Jaymax]

Originally Posted by jennaflorrie

But God has said repeatedly the Bible - that homosexuallity is a sin.

How do you know? Have you researched it or do you just read English translations? Or just repeat what you've been told?

Have a look at the thread over in the Christian forum about the Bible and Homosexuality where I'm doing some in-depth posts based on a lot of the research I have done over the pasrt few years. Maybe you will learn something new.

Homosexuality and the Bible

Of course most of what I've said has been ignored or brushed off by people who haven't really researched it at all. I guess I wanted to see if anyone really does know what they are talking about. So far...I am less than impressed by the knowledge (or lack of) of some Christians about their own Bible

[Mooseketeer]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

*laugh* Sounds like a match made in...Heaven

Ask him if he finds this woman attractive...


Christina Cox from Blood Ties. She reminds me a lot of my partner.

I think she is quite good looking so I suspect he will too. She also looks intelligent and not vapid which would be a no-no .

I find it funny the way my boyfriend cannot tell a leggy Hollywood blonde from another. To him Charlize Theron and Scarlet Johansson look the same. He's not really into blondes at all , just as well as I'm a red-head !

His type tends to be women like Rachel Weisz, Sophie Marceau, Emmanuelle Beart, Salma Hayek, Rosamund Pike, Julia Ormond etc....

[teejuris]

Christians believe in and strive to follow the mandates of the Holy Bible (our doctrine), despite our imperfections. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, hence, that's what we believe. Believing in the Word of God doesn't take away our ability to think, just as adhering to and being protected by the mandates of the U.S. Constitution and our statutory laws don't render Americans "brain dead". Contrary to popular belief and example, Christianity is not the only religion/belief system that teaches homosexuality is a sin. Other religions, such as Islam (Muslims) have the same teaching/belief system, however, Christians are probably "safest" to attack, from a societal perspective. That's fine, though. We can take it. We're used to it!When I've discussed homosexuality in re: to Christianity, I do so in this manner, as w/ other sins: Sin is sin in God's eyes. There is no degree to sin, and the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Thankfully, Jesus died on the cross for remission, redemption and forgiveness of our sins. Hence, we're obligated to pray for and witness to homosexuals, ourselves and others. Despite our belief that homosexuality is a sin, hence, one can't be "born gay", none of us have the right or permission to condemn, judge, bash, or exert violence against homosexuals. At the same time, just as gay people expect for Christians to accept and respect their sexuality, they have to do the same for Christians'/others' beliefs/doctrines. Attacking and illegitimizing the Bible won't stop us from believing and won't turn us into atheists. Because we live in a Democratic society, it's all about tolerance. Finally, homosexuality is not constitutionally protected as a civil right, as is not heterosexuality.