NEWS: Go to prom and we'll suspend you, says Christian school. (America, mythology)

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by justme58

Exactly.

Only the late payers will be dissed. The regular tithers and school fee payers are critical to business till they stop paying like when they lose their jobs and all of a sudden the storehouse is EMPTY go figure.

Now it's getting silly. You have no clue whatsoever about why the school made the decisions they did regarding this case.

[june 7th]

"The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people's hearts and minds."


Wait a minute.

Did June just suddenly time travel back to the late 60's?

[Bluefly]

^^
During the height of the conservative rise before its collapse a 4-5 years ago, a school banned its marching band from playing "Louie Louie" because they couldn't decipher the lyrics.

Now THAT was a time travel.

[MontanaGuy]

kdbrich wrote:

If the parents enroll their kid in a school with the intention of the school teaching a set of values, how is it not appropriate that the school define acceptable behavior?

Even people who are extremely stupid should be able to grasp the fact that moving your arms and legs in syncopation with music is not the work of satan. Apparently the authorities in this school have reached a new level of stupidity in which they cannot grasp this concept. I just hope that this gives enough bad publicity to this particular school that it will make parents think twice before they send their children there. It's true that if you accept the rules and regulations of an institution such as this one that you're probably just stuck with it but I would just like to point out that this isn't teaching some sort of high moral code or set of values, it's just plain stupid.

[justme58]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

Now it's getting silly. You have no clue whatsoever about why the school made the decisions they did regarding this case.

Oh and I guess you have full disclosure then?

Actually money is what drive all churches and church schools. Regular tithers and punctual school fee payers will inevitably be treated well because money drives both businesses.

Unless the kid is totally a rebel and mischief maker, his/her "sins" get overlooked, Woe is that same kid if the parent is late or behind in school fees.

The poster I was responding to made the same comment, I just confirmed what I have witnessed.

[TKramar]

By the same token, some people who actually LIKE dancing (mainly women), say that dancing is "the vertical expression of a horizontal desire." And I would think that's what they oppose, anything that might lead hormone-driven teens even closer to having sex outside the context of a marriage. Many do, it doesn't kill you (for the most part, anyhow).

[scarletneon]

Originally Posted by june 7th

"The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people's hearts and minds."


Wait a minute.

Did June just suddenly time travel back to the late 60's?

I can't wait to see how these kids try to function in the real world away from their little cult upbringing.

[BergenCountyJohnny]

Originally Posted by justme58

Oh and I guess you have full disclosure then?

Actually money is what drive all churches and church schools. Regular tithers and punctual school fee payers will inevitably be treated well because money drives both businesses.

So you criticize the other person for not having "full disclosure" as if you do? You assert that "all churches and church schools" are driven by money. Don't you mean all churches and church schools in your town??? This is the second time I see you making this broad generalization, and the first time, when I called you out on it, you THEN clarified that it was only in your town. Now here you are immediately again making this assertion about the school that the other poster is talking about as well as all other churches and church schools. So, apparently, you don't typically say this intending to limit it to the ones in your town, based on your anecdotal experience (as opposed to any empirical data), but rather you make these broad-sweeping generalizations in order to condemn all Christian Churches and schools.

Well, you're wrong. I know of Christian churches and schools that are NOT driven by money-making. That means that not "all" are, as you assert.

Originally Posted by justme58

Unless the kid is totally a rebel and mischief maker, his/her "sins" get overlooked, Woe is that same kid if the parent is late or behind in school fees.

The poster I was responding to made the same comment, I just confirmed what I have witnessed.

The Christian school I went to often kept kids whose parents were in financial distress if their parents really wanted them in the school and the kids showed through their performance that they wanted to be there. One of my best friends in that Christian school was from a poor background, and when his father became unemployed and his mother lost the child support payments and couldn't pay, the school kept him for 2 years, for free, until they could resume paying tuition. My father was a trustee in that Church and I know for a fact the school lost money and only kept in operation as a ministry.

There were definitely problems I had with that school and that Church, but their stance on money was absolutely not one of them. Membership was based on someone's baptism and choice to be a member, even if they never paid a dime. There were many who gave cash offerings and did not write checks, so the trustees never knew which members gave or didn't give, except for the ones who did write checks. This did not affect membership. Every member who was getting married or needed the pastor's services for funerals or anything else received those services 100% free of charge - all that was suggested was that they would give a "gift" to the building's caretaker/janitor because he'd have to come in on his own time and turn on lights, heat/Air conditioning, unlock doors, set up chairs/tables, etc., but even the caretaker did not require anything.

There are many churches like your former one which are all about money, no doubt about that. But there are many which are not. The way you go about constantly projecting your experience onto the whole of Christianity, insisting that "all" (that's the word you use every time) Churches and Church schools are the same and are all about money, is wrong, and is based on your bitterness and prejudice, which is in turn based on your own isolated experiences and not on the facts regarding "all" churches an church schools.

It's fine with me if you are bitter and want to be bitter towards your former church and the other ones in your town which you know (so you claim) to have been all about money; but when you seek to disparage "all" churches in unfairly and incorrectly based on your myopic bigotry and hatred, don't be surprised when I (or anyone else) speaks up about it. If you don't like it, tough, because you're wrong.

[justme58]

Originally Posted by BergenCountyJohnny

So you criticize the other person for not having "full disclosure" as if you do? You assert that "all churches and church schools" are driven by money. Don't you mean all churches and church schools in your town??? This is the second time I see you making this broad generalization, and the first time, when I called you out on it, you THEN clarified that it was only in your town. Now here you are immediately again making this assertion about the school that the other poster is talking about as well as all other churches and church schools. So, apparently, you don't typically say this intending to limit it to the ones in your town, based on your anecdotal experience (as opposed to any empirical data), but rather you make these broad-sweeping generalizations in order to condemn all Christian Churches and schools.

Well, you're wrong. I know of Christian churches and schools that are NOT driven by money-making. That means that not "all" are, as you assert.



The Christian school I went to often kept kids whose parents were in financial distress if their parents really wanted them in the school and the kids showed through their performance that they wanted to be there. One of my best friends in that Christian school was from a poor background, and when his father became unemployed and his mother lost the child support payments and couldn't pay, the school kept him for 2 years, for free, until they could resume paying tuition. My father was a trustee in that Church and I know for a fact the school lost money and only kept in operation as a ministry.

There were definitely problems I had with that school and that Church, but their stance on money was absolutely not one of them. Membership was based on someone's baptism and choice to be a member, even if they never paid a dime. There were many who gave cash offerings and did not write checks, so the trustees never knew which members gave or didn't give, except for the ones who did write checks. This did not affect membership. Every member who was getting married or needed the pastor's services for funerals or anything else received those services 100% free of charge - all that was suggested was that they would give a "gift" to the building's caretaker/janitor because he'd have to come in on his own time and turn on lights, heat/Air conditioning, unlock doors, set up chairs/tables, etc., but even the caretaker did not require anything.

There are many churches like your former one which are all about money, no doubt about that. But there are many which are not. The way you go about constantly projecting your experience onto the whole of Christianity, insisting that "all" (that's the word you use every time) Churches and Church schools are the same and are all about money, is wrong, and is based on your bitterness and prejudice, which is in turn based on your own isolated experiences and not on the facts regarding "all" churches an church schools.

It's fine with me if you are bitter and want to be bitter towards your former church and the other ones in your town which you know (so you claim) to have been all about money; but when you seek to disparage "all" churches in unfairly and incorrectly based on your myopic bigotry and hatred, don't be surprised when I (or anyone else) speaks up about it. If you don't like it, tough, because you're wrong.

Well it is nice if your's is the exception to the rule, but there are worldwide testimonies of the abuse of the church administrators towards students who's families fell behind in payments.

Strange that what happened in my town happens all over the world in these xian schools.

At the end of the day it is all about money. The big givers are the ones that get the most attention, I know because I was a big giver and saw how the others were neglected.

They all preach about robbing god when funds dry up - it is all manipulation and a guilt trip. Yet most of the money never sees the light of day in assisting the needy. I personally helped out distressed families paying for medical care and groceries as the church did squat.

Please do not preach to me about what I know or don't know.

People like you make me sick and you are no different to the bigots of ALL evangelical, charismatic and pentecostal churches.

[BergenCountyJohnny]

Originally Posted by justme58

Well it is nice if your's is the exception to the rule, but there are worldwide testimonies of the abuse of the church administrators towards students who's families fell behind in payments.

Strange that what happened in my town happens all over the world in these xian schools.

Your anecdotes and those of others are the exceptions. You have no data to prove that the abuses are the norm rather than the exception. Yet you still make ignorant comments.

Originally Posted by justme58

At the end of the day it is all about money. The big givers are the ones that get the most attention, I know because I was a big giver and saw how the others were neglected.

I was always an anonymous giver and was never neglected. Sounds like you were in with a bad church and didn't know any better (or, perhaps, enjoyed the corruption and engaged in it because you liked it so much).

Originally Posted by justme58

They all preach about robbing god when funds dry up - it is all manipulation and a guilt trip. Yet most of the money never sees the light of day in assisting the needy. I personally helped out distressed families paying for medical care and groceries as the church did squat.

They "all" do? You've been to them "all"?? Here you go again with your absolutes and your blanket statements.

Originally Posted by justme58

Please do not preach to me about what I know or don't know.

So it's OK for you to preach to everyone your bigoted generalizations but it's not OK for me or anyone to set you straight? Forget about me stopping. If you keep making ignorant generalizations I'm going to keep pointing it out, and I don't care if it's "preaching" to you. The fact is that you do NOT know what goes on in every church so you are not in a position to say that "all" churches are all about money. That's ignorant on your part and it's slanderous.

Originally Posted by justme58

People like you make me sick and you are no different to the bigots of ALL evangelical, charismatic and pentecostal churches.

Of course people like me make you sick, it must sicken you that someone would pull back the curtain on your hate and bigotry and set things straight with some logic and reason. If you don't like it, stop making ignorant, bigoted statements. But if you want to continue with the ignorant hateful bigotry then don't be surprised that I'm going to put it under the light of logic and expose it for the ignorance and stupidity that it is.