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Old 05-21-2009, 12:52 AM
 
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I posted this in another thread, but I thought the topic warranted it's own thread.

To summarize what's below, it is my opinion that if religion dies out it will be replaced by political ideology such as Communism or Neoconservatism.

I also want to add that I'm not condemning religion or political philosophy, but I do believe that both have deleterious consequences when taken to extremes.

I find that people that use religion to condemn others have a set of beliefs FIRST and then use their religion to back them up, as sort of their own magical reference guide that can make whatever they want true. For example, when people say that homosexuality is looked down upon according to the bible I think it's because people have those beliefs first and then scour the bible for references to back them up.

I also think if it weren't for religion, people would find other equally stupid reasons to condemn others. It's not religions fault, trying to control others to make yourself more comfortable is just the way society is. There will always be societal pressure to conform, only when it's taken to extremes does it have deleterious conseqences.

Most people are SHEEP. They want to believe in something, they SEEK to believe in something otherwise they feel lost. These are the masses and they are easily mislead. As the times progress and humankind becomes more convinced of it's power to explain the unexplainable it starts to rely on POLITICAL doctrine rather than religions to lead people. But political doctrine, when misapplied, has the same deleterious effects as religion does. Look at what National Socialism became in Germany. Look what Communism became in the old U.S.S.R.

People are easily lead astray because they need something to believe in that's bigger than themselves, they need order, the need to be able to explain the unexplainable, the need dictum on how to treat others because most people can't figure these things out on their own. Needing to be lead is the nature of most of humankind. If religion is erradicated, it will just be replaced with something else that will lead the people because that is what most of the people need.

What do you guys think? Don't you think people would just find other philosophies to believe in and use them to try and control their neighbors because they know what the right way is and it's their job to enforce and educate the right way to the rest of the world? Isn't that basically what the neo-cons are did when they went over to Iraq?
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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Let me populate this thread and make it feel better.

Violett hurls a disclaimer, yet goes on to beat religion violet, black and blue

Can I call this a paradox?

Besides, why is communism even in talking circles? Didn't we cappies shove perestroika up their bums?
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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1) my feelings were not hurt when my thread didn't get responses

2) if you read carefully, you will see my problem, "my beatings" so to speak, were not against religion, but rather people
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:55 PM
 
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1) my feelings were not hurt when my thread didn't get responses
Hugs Violett tightt

I'm not gonna let your feelings get hurt But I do admit I wanted to play mind games on you. I drafted a post for you within minutes. My microwave beeped and I went rummaging and grazing through food like a bull. When I came back it went deep down. A little later it was hitting davy jones' locker and I was surprised, coz this is a good topic, finally something on politics, my area So I thought I'd post 24 hours later and play more mind games.

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2) if you read carefully, you will see my problem, "my beatings" so to speak, were not against religion, but rather people
Point taken.

Anyway, on a serious note, religion is not dying out. The West is dying out. South America, Asia and Africa are on the rise. And these societies have been heavily religious since the Indus Valley Civilization.

Religion or Political dystopia, strife in the world is here to stay.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:42 PM
 
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HReligion or Political dystopia, strife in the world is here to stay.
That's why I think the focus should be less on religion and ideology and more on "How are we going to all get along and live on this earth without killing each other? How are we going to manage to get along with one another and live in harmony?" I know that sounds simplistic and maybe a little naive, but if all we do is attempt to control everyone and force them to believe what we believe, like any dysfunctional relationship with that quality, it's never going to work out. We're all going to end up nuking each other, nobody's is going to win.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:45 AM
 
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That's why I think the focus should be less on religion and ideology and more on "How are we going to all get along and live on this earth without killing each other? How are we going to manage to get along with one another and live in harmony?" I know that sounds simplistic and maybe a little naive, but if all we do is attempt to control everyone and force them to believe what we believe, like any dysfunctional relationship with that quality, it's never going to work out. We're all going to end up nuking each other, nobody's is going to win.
Religion has already died out in favour of political ideology.
The only thing scarier to me than a bunch of religious zealots that worship a God is a bunch of political zealots that worship a man.

It would be nice if we could all just get along but that will never, ever happen. Unless of course every body on the planet decides to agree with me.
Now repeat after me: OFFTHEFENCE is freakin awesome. OFFTHEFENCE is cool. OFFTHEFENCE is handsome. May OFFTHEFENCE forever rule.
Repeat that 3 times a day while spinning in circles with a bull whip hanging out your butt.
If your not willing to do that and post it on YouTube then there is no way we will ever get along.
If you don't post it by tomorrow then you really don't care about world peace and will be personally responsible for all the dying penguins in Africa.
So here we go. All together now...OFFTHEFENCE is awesome....................
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:01 AM
 
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Religion has already died out in favour of political ideology.
The only thing scarier to me than a bunch of religious zealots that worship a God is a bunch of political zealots that worship a man.

It would be nice if we could all just get along but that will never, ever happen. Unless of course every body on the planet decides to agree with me.
Now repeat after me: OFFTHEFENCE is freakin awesome. OFFTHEFENCE is cool. OFFTHEFENCE is handsome. May OFFTHEFENCE forever rule.
Repeat that 3 times a day while spinning in circles with a bull whip hanging out your butt.
If your not willing to do that and post it on YouTube then there is no way we will ever get along.
If you don't post it by tomorrow then you really don't care about world peace and will be personally responsible for all the dying penguins in Africa.
So here we go. All together now...OFFTHEFENCE is awesome....................
hahahahahahaha.
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Old 05-23-2009, 06:11 AM
 
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Political ideologies - Communism, democracy, fascism - etc ARE religions. Dogmatic, creedal and with an endgame in sight be itthe Thousand Year Reich, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, univerals democracy or whatever.

For instance most so called non believers who visit these boards believe all men are equal...this is pure creedal dogma taken directly from Christianity. Indeed most in not all western political ideologiesa are Christian heresies inasmuch as they envisage the Christian millenium but without Christ. A resources become scarce wars will become increasingly brutal as the pro democracy crusade in Iraq reveals.
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Old 05-23-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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do i think ......

do i think at all?

do i get a chance to think, on my own?

over to education and brain researchers!
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Old 05-23-2009, 03:15 PM
 
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Political ideologies - Communism, democracy, fascism - etc ARE religions. Dogmatic, creedal and with an endgame in sight be itthe Thousand Year Reich, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, univerals democracy or whatever.

For instance most so called non believers who visit these boards believe all men are equal...this is pure creedal dogma taken directly from Christianity. Indeed most in not all western political ideologiesa are Christian heresies inasmuch as they envisage the Christian millenium but without Christ. A resources become scarce wars will become increasingly brutal as the pro democracy crusade in Iraq reveals.
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