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Originally Posted by gizmo980
This is probably what bothers me most... how non-religious folks need to PROVE their side, but religious ones can just use faith as their "proof"....
This is just the point. Non-believers shout "prove it!" and when we bring you our proof they scoff and say no proof, then they say you can't prove it. Maybe if the heathens would ask us what they would need as proof, and be specific, we might be able to help.
As a heathen, I've asked many questions and will continue to do so. I am working up a set of questions about the veracity of the writers of the NT. In particular, I question the authenticity of Paul's word.
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Originally Posted by Marks
This is just the point. Non-believers shout "prove it!" and when we bring you our proof they scoff and say no proof, then they say you can't prove it. Maybe if the heathens would ask us what they would need as proof, and be specific, we might be able to help.
04-11-2007, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Marks
This is just the point. Non-believers shout "prove it!" and when we bring you our proof they scoff and say no proof, then they say you can't prove it. Maybe if the heathens would ask us what they would need as proof, and be specific, we might be able to help.
Show me your proof then, there is no proof is the problem. You're blinded by your religion and believe something to be proven even when it is far from it. I was raised Christian and I want to be a part of a religion, I would love to believe there is a heaven waiting for me and a kind all knowing God. I am completely open to it but nothing has touched me, it doesn't show itself to me. I prayed every night for years and never felt a thing. I have no proof, and most science points AGAINST it. Most people are religious because they are afraid of hell. I can't fool myself like that.
I find the Christian's to be the heathens. How many wars have agnostics/athiests started? None. How many wars have religion started? Most. You heathens loved murdering people in the name of the Crusades.
Shadow, I'm not religious...but I'd be careful about placing blame on religion for war. War has one cause and that's greed. Religion is just how those in power get the masses to support their wars. Religion is a tool to control the masses, always has been, always will be. Religion, in and of itself, does not cause war.
04-11-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LeavingFlorida05
Shadow, I'm not religious...but I'd be careful about placing blame on religion for war. War has one cause and that's greed. Religion is just how those in power get the masses to support their wars. Religion is a tool to control the masses, always has been, always will be. Religion, in and of itself, does not cause war.
I stand by my comments. Regardless of the politics behind the wars, religion was the reason the people were fighting the wars. The soldiers weren't getting richer, only the royalty.
I don't want to do this, but you're forcing me to...
Explain the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Explain German expansion in WWII. Explain the Spanish-American war. Were these wars religiously motivated?
Of course the soldiers don't get richer. They're part of the "masses". Those in control, whether they are royalty, elected officials, dictators, or corporations, are the ones who profit.
04-11-2007, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LeavingFlorida05
I don't want to do this, but you're forcing me to...
Explain the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Explain German expansion in WWII. Explain the Spanish-American war. Were these wars religiously motivated?
I never said every war ever was started by religion, and I'm not equally educated in every war ever. I don't see your point.
I never said every war ever was started by religion, and I'm not equally educated in every war ever. I don't see your point.
You made this statement...
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How many wars have agnostics/athiests started? None.
That statement is false. If no wars were started by agnostic/atheists, then all wars must have been started by the religious. Your logic isn't adding up. I know where you're coming from, but you need to think about what you're saying. Perhaps you're just not explaining yourself well.
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then they say you can't prove it. 
