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Christianity does not want to Control. But while we can vote and change our society as individuals we will continue to change it for the good.
see, there you go, YOU will continue to change it for the good? You are the reason wars are started and people are killed, b/c you actually believe your morals and beliefs are the only way, and you jam it down everyone else's throats...well, your wrong, wrong, wrong...
Please answer my question...why don't you take all this energy and put it towards something good, like rally for child sexual abusers to be put away for good and the same with those who murder and pillage. If you did, you'd be doing something productive.
if you would live your own lives, stay out of other people's business and let they're God damn them to hell if he/she so chooses...so be it...but how they live they're lives is none of your business.
Morality is different than what is right and what is wrong. Morals are subjective, right and wrong are objective. For example, I lived in a reformed christian town during my adolescence and some of the laws were that people were prohibited from working on Sunday, the grass could only be six inches high and that stores could not sell alcohol on Sundays. The problem with this is that those are personal morals rather than things that are objectively right and objectively wrong. Laws should be based on reason, which can objectively judge what is right and what is wrong. Morals are based on value judgements rather than objective reasoning. For example, it is reasonable to prohibit rape, murder, robbery etc. because those actions harm others and infringe on someone else's freedom. Opposing gay marriage on the otherhand is more of a value judgement rather than something which would infringe on others' freedom. While someone may think that homosexual marriage is wrong, that doesn't mean that it should be prohibited. Most people who oppose it are defining marriage by how the abrahamic religions define marriage, although this is more of a personal religious belief and enacting it into law would be basing laws on personal biases. Different cultures have also defined marriage differently. Marriage isn't necessarily solely defined as between one man and one woman. The dominant religions of the Western world are Christianity and Islam which define marriage as being between one man and one woman. Some states have legalized gay marriage, although for the most part America is rather puritannical in its religious beliefs so someone's religion often plays a role in what they want as a basis for laws and regulations. The problem with this though is that if one lets their religious beliefs influence what they try to have enacted into law then it is making others follow the religious beliefs/morals of what that religious affiliation considers to be moral/immoral.
Morality is different than what is right and what is wrong. Morals are subjective, right and wrong are objective. For example, I lived in a reformed christian town during my adolescence and some of the laws were that people were prohibited from working on Sunday, the grass could only be six inches high and that stores could not sell alcohol on Sundays. The problem with this is that those are personal morals rather than things that are objectively right and objectively wrong. Laws should be based on reason, which can objectively judge what is right and what is wrong. Morals are based on value judgements rather than objective reasoning. For example, it is reasonable to prohibit rape, murder, robbery etc. because those actions harm others and infringe on someone else's freedom. Opposing gay marriage on the otherhand is more of a value judgement rather than something which would infringe on others' freedom. While someone may think that homosexual marriage is wrong, that doesn't mean that it should be prohibited. Most people who oppose it are defining marriage by how the abrahamic religions define marriage, although this is more of a personal religious belief and enacting it into law would be basing laws on personal biases. Different cultures have also defined marriage differently. Marriage isn't necessarily solely defined as between one man and one woman. The dominant religions of the Western world are Christianity and Islam which define marriage as being between one man and one woman. Some states have legalized gay marriage, although for the most part America is rather puritannical in its religious beliefs so someone's religion often plays a role in what they want as a basis for laws and regulations. The problem with this though is that if one lets their religious beliefs influence what they try to have enacted into law then it is making others follow the religious beliefs/morals of what that religious affiliation considers to be moral/immoral.
Whoa there. Our country was NOT founded on Christianity!
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Originally Posted by kdbrich
Like it or not, this country was founded by Christians. Throughout history, whenever there has been a momentous occasion, our leaders have prayed. Publicly. They believed religion had a place in society.
[SIZE=2]"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."[/SIZE] JOHN ADAMS
Whoa there. Our country was NOT founded on Christianity!
actually this country exist today because of beer. The mayflower stopped to gather barley and hops to create more beer. The liberation from Britain happened becasue the common meeting house back then was in a bar and they were tired of their beer being taxed when it was made here. The declaration of independence was written in a bar surrounded by men who where drinking...
The reason meeting where in taverns is becasue they would offer free beer to the people that came.
Dont believe me...look it up..
Also, the prohabition helps prove this point...odd that the depression ended around the same time the prohabition did.
Like it or not, this country was founded by Christians.
Uhhm, no. Actually it was founded by Deists and freethinkers who might today be called agnostics or atheists. They would certainly be labelled "false Christians" "communists" "socialists" and "apostates" by you and your ilk if they were alive and active in politics today.
Sorry but this country and its laws are in no way shape or form founded on anything to do with Christianity or the Bible
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Throughout history, whenever there has been a momentous occasion, our leaders have prayed. Publicly. They believed religion had a place in society.
These Christians don't seem to think prayer has any place among our leadership:
Christianity does not want to Control. But while we can vote and change our society as individuals we will continue to change it for the good.
Ohh, but you most definately do want control. You fundies would LOVE to have totalitarian control of this country, to ban all other religions but your own and to round up homosexuals, pagans, and other non-Christians into "re-education" camps. To impose your prayers on public schools and your false teachings of young earth creationism into science classes at all levels.
Your "change for the good" amounts to turning the "Land of The Free" into a Xian Theocracy. A mirror image of Iran bearing a cross instead of a crescent moon.
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