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No, because the man who gunned down the doc wasn't Christian. If he was Christian he wouldn't have gunned down the doc.
Are atheist getting more violent? What about Columbine, and these were just atheistic kids?
Whats interesting is when you speak with muslims they will tell you that the men who flew planes into the towers on 911 or whatever other terroristic plot you can come up with, they will say these people are not true uslims. HOWEVER christians tend to NOT buy that explanation, instead needing to believe all muslims are out to get us as part of their religion.
No, not because of recent events, but, I do agree that, as a group, christers are a violent lot, I have suspected that it is because, somewhere deep down inside, they know they have been fed a pack of lies and have been paying good money for ancient mythology for a long time. It's like, they know they are being hoaxed, they just can't help themselves. It is difficult for some to shed the chains of superstition, a frustrating lifestyle.
I think it is dangerous to paint a group of individuals as being violent because of the actions of nut-jobs like the abortion doctor killer. Certain elements of the Left are also using the recent news of the neo-nazi who gunned down security guards at the Holocaust Museum as proof of the danger of the Right (makes the insinuation that conservatives are all right-wing extremist Christian lunatics).
Now you guys know how I am agnostic with little love for Christianity, particularly Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christianity. However, I can tell you that there are a lot of good people who are Christians who would NEVER commit these kinds of acts. I mean we have some guys here at work that are, what I would consider Fundies, who have never bothered me with their religion, let alone threatened take my life or anybody elses.
I think it is fine to criticize the institutionof Christianity and even paint it as violent based upon the actions it has displayed throughout history. This cannot be seriously denied even by the most dedicated apologist (though they will try). But to assume that each individual Christian has the propensity for violent behavior lurking beneath the surface because they are Christians is absurd.
And let's be serious for a moment (ok, I know being serious is not always one of my strong points, right June 7th? ), on the secular side, we can hardly lay claim to displaying a lack of violence. Violence, unfortunately, is part of the human condition and hardly limited to this group or that group. I think this is amplified when humans start displaying pack behavior and when they stop questioning any "group-think" whether they be faith systems, politicial ideologies or what have you.
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I've always felt that many religious institutions harbor intolerance, hatred, and/or violence in some way or another. That said, it's never good to use one large brush to paint tiny individual people. Not all Christians are violent. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all pro-lifers (myself included), are happy about the murder of Dr Tiller. So on and so forth.
I think it is dangerous to paint a group of individuals as being violent because of the actions of nut-jobs like the abortion doctor killer. Certain elements of the Left are also using the recent news of the neo-nazi who gunned down security guards at the Holocaust Museum as proof of the danger of the Right (makes the insinuation that conservatives are all right-wing extremist Christian lunatics).
Now you guys know how I am agnostic with little love for Christianity, particularly Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christianity. However, I can tell you that there are a lot of good people who are Christians who would NEVER commit these kinds of acts. I mean we have some guys here at work that are, what I would consider Fundies, who have never bothered me with their religion, let alone threatened take my life or anybody elses.
I think it is fine to criticize the institutionof Christianity and even paint it as violent based upon the actions it has displayed throughout history. This cannot be seriously denied even by the most dedicated apologist (though they will try). But to assume that each individual Christian has the propensity for violent behavior lurking beneath the surface because they are Christians is absurd.
And let's be serious for a moment (ok, I know being serious is not always one of my strong points, right June 7th? ), on the secular side, we can hardly lay claim to displaying a lack of violence. Violence, unfortunately, is part of the human condition and hardly limited to this group or that group. I think this is amplified when humans start displaying pack behavior and when they stop questioning any "group-think" whether they be faith systems, politicial ideologies or what have you.
I agree. Absolutely no correlation between being a Christian and being more or less violent.
Whats interesting is when you speak with muslims they will tell you that the men who flew planes into the towers on 911 or whatever other terroristic plot you can come up with, they will say these people are not true uslims. HOWEVER christians tend to NOT buy that explanation, instead needing to believe all muslims are out to get us as part of their religion.
You are right! Those terrorists were Muslim and That man was a Christian.
The difference is, Those Muslims were acting in accordance to their teachings and that man who gunned down the doctor was not acting in accordance to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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), on the secular side, we can hardly lay claim to displaying a lack of violence. Violence, unfortunately, is part of the human condition and hardly limited to this group or that group. I think this is amplified when humans start displaying pack behavior and when they stop questioning any "group-think" whether they be faith systems, politicial ideologies or what have you.
