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I wonder if the ID'ists thought this all through when they set this one up? It's certainly come back to haunt them big time, with all of it's logical new conundra, the growing taint of a barely concealed God under it all, and the fact that they inadvertently added a bunch more illogical branches to the already aging and off-balance top-heavy tree.
Actually Campbell, I think you have it backwards. Free will allows you to examine all evidence and accept that which you think is true, and reject what you think is false.
You on the other hand cannot do that. Your method is to accept whatever fits your dogma, and reject what does not. In this respect your lack of free will forces you to accept the impossible and reject the plausible.
In regards to the natural laws of the world around them, fundamentalists have no free will, and this fact stifles progress for them in a big way.
Actually, I tend to believe those who have seen evidence first hand, and do not dismiss them automatically as liars only because their eyewitness accounts do not agree with your theories. And when you have many accounts all saying the samething, they really should not be dismissed.
IDer's don't seem to understand that their views are based on religion rather than reason or science. It doesn't matter if someone believes in ID, or thinks that it is the work of the mentally insane, it is not science. It is is thwarted nonsense. Science is based on evidence and reason. Irrational Design is based on faith and deliberate ignorance.
Many of their views are based on eyewitiness accounts, that you dismiss.
Many of their views are based on eyewitiness accounts, that you dismiss.
Eyewitness accounts have never been sufficient to believe magical miracles happened, especially when they are different stories from each "witness", and especially when the "eyewitness accounts" are nowhere to be found except from 'copies' of the accounts written much later and not by the "eyewitnesses".
I'd be surprised if you didn't believe every UFO, bigfoot, and loch ness monster "eyewitness account".. it is the same criteria you use to believe the bible after all..
But you should know that eyewitness testimony with no other evidence does not hold up in court, especially when it is full of claims that defy the laws of physics.
Why does this "intelligently designed" world not have real evidence for God's existence? Either the "intelligent designer" doesn't care for us to believe, or as your story goes, he did it on purpose so he could throw most of the world's population in eternal torment.
Actually, I tend to believe those who have seen evidence first hand, and do not dismiss them automatically as liars only because their eyewitness accounts do not agree with your theories. And when you have many accounts all saying the samething, they really should not be dismissed.
...unless the evidence and accounts are in support of an old earth and evolution. Then it's all lies and global conspiracies.
Actually, I tend to believe those who have seen evidence first hand, and do not dismiss them automatically as liars only because their eyewitness accounts do not agree with your theories. And when you have many accounts all saying the samething, they really should not be dismissed.
Oh, but you do dismiss many who have seen evidence first hand, but it is always science that you dismiss for some reason.
Many of their views are based on eyewitiness accounts, that you dismiss.
The problem with eyewitness accounts is that they're unreliable in terms of objective truth since they're untestable by science. What I count as evidence is something that can be empirically proven. Eyewitness accounts can't be replicated in order to see for onesself that what they say are true, so you just have to take the person's word. For example, there are many people that alien abductions are real, although there has never been any evidence that prove those accounts are true, which is why most people don't believe that they are true.
Eyewitness accounts have never been sufficient to believe magical miracles happened, especially when they are different stories from each "witness", and especially when the "eyewitness accounts" are nowhere to be found except from 'copies' of the accounts written much later and not by the "eyewitnesses".
I'd be surprised if you didn't believe every UFO, bigfoot, and loch ness monster "eyewitness account".. it is the same criteria you use to believe the bible after all..
But you should know that eyewitness testimony with no other evidence does not hold up in court, especially when it is full of claims that defy the laws of physics.
Why does this "intelligently designed" world not have real evidence for God's existence? Either the "intelligent designer" doesn't care for us to believe, or as your story goes, he did it on purpose so he could throw most of the world's population in eternal torment.
The story is not magical, and what stories were different? And there is other evidence outside of the eyewitiness accounts, so it appears you did not fully read some of my previous posts. And there is a great deal of evidence that refutes Evolution, yet that evidence is ignored, or dismissed by those who imbrace evolution. And they do this without any scientific review. Evoultion is B.S. science that non believers stand behind. Yet if you have to keep ignoring all the other evidence, you have built your brick wall on a foundation supported by sand.
The story is not magical, and what stories were different? And there is other evidence outside of the eyewitiness accounts, so it appears you did not fully read some of my previous posts. And there is a great deal of evidence that refutes Evolution, yet that evidence is ignored, or dismissed by those who imbrace evolution. And they do this without any scientific review. Evoultion is B.S. science that non believers stand behind. Yet if you have to keep ignoring all the other evidence, you have built your brick wall on a foundation supported by sand.
Once again you reply with ironic statements that should be directed toward your own brick wall. Just saying these things does not make them true.
There is no external evidence that magical miracles happened (yes turning water into wine is a magic trick).
You make me laugh when you talk about evolution, that is if ignorance didn't bother me so much.
But the point of this thread is, the world is not so perfect as to point to intelligent design. And when you add the idea that we are supposed to believe all of your specifics of the creator, without any evidence other than eyewitness testimony, then you must agree that the creator didn't create real evidence because either it doesn't care or wants most of the world to be thrown into hell. No teacher with an interest in student learning would be satisfied with a curriculum that only taught to 1/3 of the class.
Once again you reply with ironic statements that should be directed toward your own brick wall. Just saying these things does not make them true.
There is no external evidence that magical miracles happened (yes turning water into wine is a magic trick).
You make me laugh when you talk about evolution, that is if ignorance didn't bother me so much.
But the point of this thread is, the world is not so perfect as to point to intelligent design. And when you add the idea that we are supposed to believe all of your specifics of the creator, without any evidence other than eyewitness testimony, then you must agree that the creator didn't create real evidence because either it doesn't care or wants most of the world to be thrown into hell. No teacher with an interest in student learning would be satisfied with a curriculum that only taught to 1/3 of the class.
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