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Old 07-01-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Sonoita
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Actually...Darwin was a raging racist. Evolution smacks of eugenics. So yeah...he did think that black people were more closely related to apes.
Now this is the stupid comment. Darwin had nothing to do with racism. Maybe his fellow sciencetist Huxly, but darwin only could comment on what he saw and nothing more. No one even today can go to Africa or watch a TV documentary or read a text book and say that the blacks are not closer to the ape than others. It's simply observed for what it is. Evolution has nothing to do with racism. It's not moral or immoral, but is anything it has no morals. It's a function in the evolution system for selecting better options of any lifeform willing to take the chances.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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This has nothing to do with insensitive or racial. If you have issues with it then perhaps you should take it up with the anthropologists or paleotologist who illustrate their fossil findings for us. I'm only commenting on what I read and see in science journals. Nobody here can pretend they are not knowing what I'm refering to. Itt's everywhere.
That's simply not true. The late Stephen Jay Gould wrote about many of the earlier writings from decades ago which tried to portray black people as well as Jews as being inferior and he tore those arguments to shreds. That's a very outdated point of view and not one that is part of mainstream scientific thinking in the twentyfirst century. For anyone who thinks that black people are somehow inferior I have two words for you: President Obama.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Sonoita
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No, it doesn't. The Eugenics movement took a sound scientific principle from biology and used it as justification for their own cruddy political motivations.
Yes Eugenics was used in the wrong science sense with Nazi exterminations, but poplutation control is another matter. If humans can't stop the world's overpopulation then something has to be established to handle it.[/QUOTE=Dane_in_LA]If racially motivated genocide and attempts at keeping "undesireables" from procreating had only popped up after the publication of ToS, you might have had the tiniest bit of a point. [/quote]My nieghbor has a bumper sticker that says, "I support the use of spaying and neutering for Welfare Recipients" Some time down the road these hard questions will be asked again and some programs will get brought to life again whether we like it or not. Again, no bad meaning, just hard look at a future reality of this world.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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a specie would be most anything that is different kind of thing than another.

Like, I'm human, that is my specie.
frogs are a totally different specie.

Now i might take a bunch of frogs and vie a controlled breading program, come up with a frog of a new color or with a different looking leg and I guess it might be considered a new specie too.
A controlled "breading" program could make a very tasty frog.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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= No one even today can go to Africa or watch a TV documentary or read a text book and say that the blacks are not closer to the ape than others. It's simply observed for what it is.
Wow, please remove yourself from the 19th century and join the rest of us in the 21st century!
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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A species is defined as an individual belonging to a group of organisms having common characteristics and are capable of mating with one another and producing offspring.

For instance if a dog and a cat mated, there would be no dats or cogs produced....Just a lot of claw marks on the poor dog.
Well, yeah, but... Tigers and Lions can mate and produce offspring, for instance.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, yeah, but... Tigers and Lions can mate and produce offspring, for instance.
Only if they are forced to mate, but hey, they are both felines aren't they?

Dogs can mate with wolves too, but they are both canines.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:26 PM
 
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Well, yeah, but... Tigers and Lions can mate and produce offspring, for instance.

That's true. However, although lions and tigers do belong to the same genus (Panthera), but they are of unrelated species. When interbred, the offspring become either tigons or ligers. Female tigons or ligers can be reproductive, but the males are almost always sterile. Meaning that ligers or tigons not capable of reproducing more ligers or tigons. They are hybrids, not a new species. I don't think I've heard of any male and female ligers (or tigons) breeding and producing viable offspring, let alone successive generations that are capable of reproduction.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:45 PM
 
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Now this is the stupid comment. Darwin had nothing to do with racism. Maybe his fellow sciencetist Huxly, but darwin only could comment on what he saw and nothing more. No one even today can go to Africa or watch a TV documentary or read a text book and say that the blacks are not closer to the ape than others. It's simply observed for what it is. Evolution has nothing to do with racism. It's not moral or immoral, but is anything it has no morals. It's a function in the evolution system for selecting better options of any lifeform willing to take the chances.
lol...ok. If you say so.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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. Female tigons or ligers can be reproductive, but the males are almost always sterile.
could you take a number of non-sterile males and females that are the result of this mixing of lion and tiger, and use them to come up with a new animal?
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