Revelations is a Warning without Specifics (soul, Isaiah, hell, prophet)
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Obviously you'd rather moan about the s than talk about the book itself.
Do you believe that the end will come in our lifetime? I've seen many shows of people who believe it will happen and point to John's descriptions and relate them to modern things but hasn't every single generation ever since been doing this?
The generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ, would be the generation that saw the Jewish people return to the land of Israel, and their recapture of Jerusalem. Both of these events have occured. And if God allows me to live into my 80s. I believe I will see His return. No single generation since the Jews were driven out of their land by the Romans ever saw such a return. And the Old testament states this event would occur in God's third day. We are only 25 years from the beginning of God's third day.
I do believe it's called the Revelation of John, see even this old heathen knows that much.....
Heh. Thank you. You are correct.
My point though, is that if a person can't understand that there is no "s" on the end of it, chances are they really haven't bothered to see what the book has been understood to teach for the last 2000 years.
I have NO idea why the book of Revelation is even relevant today when in the very first verse, the writer makes it VERY clear that NONE of it was meant for anyone beyond his generation? He writes with urgency to a contemporary audience and stresses a few times along the way that his Jesus was soon to return.
Today we have people interpreting and reinterpreting running around with their heads up their *** or making millions with their fearmongering about contents that has NOTHING to do with today, last year, 3 centuries ago or the future. To make matters worse, none of the blabbering written in the book ever came to pass when they were supposed to so generations of Christians since that time have had to come up with verbal and mental gymnastics that are now known as "Christian apologetics" a.k.a "excuses."
I have NO idea why the book of Revelation is even relevant today when in the very first verse, the writer makes it VERY clear that NONE of it was meant for anyone beyond his generation? He writes with urgency to a contemporary audience and stresses a few times along the way that his Jesus was soon to return.
Today we have people interpreting and reinterpreting running around with their heads up their *** or making millions with their fearmongering about contents that has NOTHING to do with today, last year, 3 centuries ago or the future. To make matters worse, none of the blabbering written in the book ever came to pass when they were supposed to so generations of Christians since that time have had to come up with verbal and mental gymnastics that are now known as "Christian apologetics" a.k.a "excuses."
The writer does not say it was for his generation, and it's obvious it could not be for his generation, because the prophecies of the Jews returning to Israel were not in effect, nor did the nations of the east have the ability to raise up an army of 200 million men. It is doubtful if there were even that many men on the planet at that time. We dont have to reinterpret anything, YOU just have to read what is clearly stated in the Book. And it has nothing to do with fearmongering, it has everything to paying attention to the details. It is the Old Testament that tells us that in the Last days the Jewish people would return from a worldwide exile. This has happened, and the Jewish people have recaptured Jerusalem just as the Bible said they would. We are now living in the last days. For only in our generation has this prophecy come to pass. And according to the Bible, when the Jews were back in their own land, the nations of the east would have the ability to raise up an army of 200 million men. China stated that very same number back in 1960, and that was just 12 years after Israel declared itself a nation.
Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John
Rev 22:6 And he said to me, These sayings are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show to His servants the things which must shortly be done.
So shortly means 2000+ years? Soon means never or sometime in the distant future, and Some standing here means none standing here?
Why would God have information you have to take a class on to know it?
Why would God send you dark times, does that appease him?
God (warns) of the dark times, He is doing you a favor. God tells us to study His Word, sometimes taking a class may be part of that study. I wish a few more people would take some classes on the Bible here.
Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John
Rev 22:6 And he said to me, These sayings are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show to His servants the things which must shortly be done.
So shortly means 2000+ years? Soon means never or sometime in the distant future, and Some standing here means none standing here?
Suggesting that soon (must mean their generation) is pretty ridiculous.
And this is pointed out to us in Second Peter chapter 3.
Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers will come to scoff, living according to their own desires and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? From the time when our ancestors fell asleep, everything has remained as it was from the beginning of creation."
According to the Bible, the last days will begin when we see the Jewish people return to Israel, and Jerusalem. Now you can ignore that, and just say the Bible says soon. Yet soon in the Bible can mean a longtime in man's years. Yet a short time in God's view. Second Peter Chapter 3 verse 8 and 9 tells us. But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. THE LORD DOES NOT DELAY HIS PROMISE, (AS SOME REGARD "DELAY,") BUT HE IS PATIENT WITH YOU, NOT WISHING THAT ANY SHOULD PERSIH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.
Some standing here means some standing here. The verse in question that speaks of some not dieing before they see the Son of man returning in the clouds was fulfilled on the Mt. of transfiguration. Jesus took certain men with Him up into the Mountain, and it was their they saw in a vision His return. It was not His physical return, it was His return seen in a vision. Just read the next verse or two after that statement, and you will see that was the case.
Suggesting that soon (must mean their generation) is pretty ridiculous.
Really? Coming from you that is rich!
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And this is pointed out to us in Second Peter chapter 3.
Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers will come to scoff, living according to their own desires and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? From the time when our ancestors fell asleep, everything has remained as it was from the beginning of creation."
Peter was also addressing the people of his time, he was not a prophet.
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According to the Bible, the last days will begin when we see the Jewish people return to Israel, and Jerusalem. Now you can ignore that, and just say the Bible says soon.
Yeah it took the Zionist enablers and the league of nations/united nations (not sure when they changed) to do gawd's work - how ironic that the diaspora "ends" with the mandate of the LON/UN?
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Yet soon in the Bible can mean a longtime in man's years. Yet a short time in God's view. Second Peter Chapter 3 verse 8 and 9 tells us. But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. THE LORD DOES NOT DELAY HIS PROMISE, (AS SOME REGARD "DELAY,") BUT HE IS PATIENT WITH YOU, NOT WISHING THAT ANY SHOULD PERSIH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.
Yeah, that is a very convenient passage to explain away all the crap you folk peddle.
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Some standing here means some standing here. The verse in question that speaks of some not dieing before they see the Son of man returning in the clouds was fulfilled on the Mt. of transfiguration.
Wrong, that was only Moses and Elijah did not include the host of angels but nice try though.
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Jesus took certain men with Him up into the Mountain, and it was their they saw in a vision His return. It was not His physical return, it was His return seen in a vision. Just read the next verse or two after that statement, and you will see that was the case.
Yeah it was all visions and illusions just like it has been for the last 2000+ years - a fairy tale.
The generation that would see the return of Jesus Christ, would be the generation that saw the Jewish people return to the land of Israel, and their recapture of Jerusalem. Both of these events have occured. And if God allows me to live into my 80s. I believe I will see His return. No single generation since the Jews were driven out of their land by the Romans ever saw such a return. And the Old testament states this event would occur in God's third day. We are only 25 years from the beginning of God's third day.
You should really say 250 years just to make sure we are all too dead to say "I told you so".
The writer does not say it was for his generation, and it's obvious it could not be for his generation, because the prophecies of the Jews returning to Israel were not in effect, nor did the nations of the east have the ability to raise up an army of 200 million men. It is doubtful if there were even that many men on the planet at that time. We dont have to reinterpret anything, YOU just have to read what is clearly stated in the Book. And it has nothing to do with fearmongering, it has everything to paying attention to the details. It is the Old Testament that tells us that in the Last days the Jewish people would return from a worldwide exile. This has happened, and the Jewish people have recaptured Jerusalem just as the Bible said they would. We are now living in the last days. For only in our generation has this prophecy come to pass. And according to the Bible, when the Jews were back in their own land, the nations of the east would have the ability to raise up an army of 200 million men. China stated that very same number back in 1960, and that was just 12 years after Israel declared itself a nation.
Sir, the writer, consistent with other New Testament writers, makes it pretty clear he has his generation in mind. Forget what other wild ideas he mentions later in his book. His imagination is clearly wild and he writes the book out that wild imagination, as one who is ranting against "the system" of his day. To say otherwise is to be disingenuous and blatantly intentional in missing the point to support another bias.
As for the usual "one day = 1,000 years/1,000 years = 1 day" foolishness, if you read the verse in context, you get the sense the writer is exercising damage control and had to step forward as a spin doctor. Clearly people were mocking the early Christians and their belief that their Jesus was soon to come back. It is very clear these early observers knew the Christians were teaching that Jesus was coming back in THEIR time. By the time that epistle was written, a few generations had already passed and so "scoffers" came calling and rightfully so. What was the best the writer could come up with? That lame equation that makes NOT one lick of sense, but then again, as then as it is now, when Christians are up against a wall, you hear some of the most ridiculous things. This one ranks well up there.
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