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God wants us to sin and repent to earn heaven.
As a Gnostic Christian it is my duty to show how Christian scripture should be interpreted to show how God can be logically found and understood.
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
New Jerusalem
9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.
Follow the logic.
All that God creates is perfect.
God created evil. Sins are evil. Sins and evil are perfect as all of God’s works are.
All that is created was created by God and must be perfect
If you believe scripture then why did God bring Satan/Talking snake to Eden and allow a supernatural being access to Eve. Not a fair confrontation at all. Right?
Further, if God creates all things then He creates our souls and natures. They are sinning natures.
If God did not want sin then all He would have to do is create us with non sinning natures.
Right?
He does not.
Why not?
Because He wants us to sin.
Sin’s value to God is to cause us to repent, so enjoy your sins and know that you will repent and be saved.
In this we have no free will. Hell is not an option since God’s will is that all be saved and His will cannot be thwarted.
I have to disagree with this.
Humans created evil by being out of harmony with God. He loves us the same even when we sin. God sent us here to experience for Him and we labeled the word "sin". If everyone acted according to what is righteous, even without religions, there would be no sin. Getting back to the Love we are created for brings us back into harmony. God does no require sin to do that. If love is out of balance, we do things that can be considered sins. Bring that love back into balance and the inclination to sin and sinning can be erradicated. Very simple.
To begin with evil and sin are not perfect so they were not created by God,so your if\then conditonal logic statement is a fallacy.man is who brought sin and evil in to the world.
To begin with evil and sin are not perfect so they were not created by God,so your if\then conditonal logic statement is a fallacy.man is who brought sin and evil in to the world.
Really?
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:6-7, KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38, KJV)
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. (Job 2:10, KJV)
Don't misunderstand, I don't believe in your god, but if what you say is true, then these passages must be an error in translation. Whatcha think?
God wants us to sin and repent to earn heaven.
As a Gnostic Christian it is my duty to show how Christian scripture should be interpreted to show how God can be logically found and understood. .......DL
Oops, didn't get past that.
I've no idea why people quote scripture as if it means anything to anyone BUT people who follow those scriptures.
The rest of us consider it quite silly, intellectually lazy, and indicative of a delusioned mind, to be frank.
To use scripture in any debate where truth, or at least reality, are related, one must prove the infallability and accuracy of scripture first, especially where religious myths are concerned.
To begin with evil and sin are not perfect so they were not created by God,so your if\then conditonal logic statement is a fallacy.man is who brought sin and evil in to the world.
So you claim your god is not a creator god?
Doesn't your scripture state that your god is the creator of all things?
If your god is a creator god, to quote Jethro Tull...
I have to disagree with this.
Humans created evil by being out of harmony with God. He loves us the same even when we sin. God sent us here to experience for Him and we labeled the word "sin". If everyone acted according to what is righteous, even without religions, there would be no sin. Getting back to the Love we are created for brings us back into harmony. God does no require sin to do that. If love is out of balance, we do things that can be considered sins. Bring that love back into balance and the inclination to sin and sinning can be erradicated. Very simple.
Come back when you do not call this a lie.
Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
To begin with evil and sin are not perfect so they were not created by God,so your if\then conditonal logic statement is a fallacy.man is who brought sin and evil in to the world.
Come back when you do not call this a lie.
Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Regards
DL
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