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Old 07-27-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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Humans have not evolved, but diversified since Babel.
Yes, they have. It's not even a topic of debate. There is undoubtable evidence that humans were not simply placed on to this planet. I highly recommend in your spare time, simply going to an accredited university near you and taking a physical anthropology course. Take two, take three... if only to educate yourself.

Would you rather go through life ignoring new research, facts, and evidence simply to keep your beliefs from when you were a child? That doesn't seem so bright.

So, we can have this discussion at a later date, but the question remains as it was before: Because humans evolved on a level more grand than microevolution (despite your antics), why wasn't this portrayed in Geneis?

A) Genesis is figurative and not literal

or

B) The God of the Bible isn't real.


Those are your two options, Yeshua. Don't be angry with me for putting it out boldly like that, but those are your two options. The third option being you will cover your eyes and ears and hear nothing of truth and be blinded by all that you've grown up with because you're scared of change.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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God did make Adam in His own one, seen image/similitude; and that image of YHWH seen is God the word, who is come in second creation flesh of human being creation to be the Kinsman to Adam; and so, the Redeemer of Adam.
So, now you're saying there were two creations?
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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So, now you're saying there were two creations?
God the Word is come in flesh as the New Thing in the Earth, when a woman compassed a geber [Jeremiah 31:22], and always was to come in flesh, from the foundation of the creation; and Adam is made in His bodily image -the image of a man is the image of God the Word, who is YHWH in the second Person.
Moses saw His similitude and spoke with Him "mouth to mouth", just as Adam did speak to Him in person, before the fall.
Isaiah saw Him on the Throne as YHWH of hosts, in Isaiah 6; and John says Isaiah saw the [pre-incarnate] LORD Jesus Christ, in John 12:37-41].

Adam is made male and female, BTW, as Genesis 5:2 states, and the female Adam is taken out of the male Adam, and both are one Adam in spirit and in flesh and in bone and in blood.

Even so, Jesus the Christ is the "ARM" of YHWH, come in flesh of second human being creation. He is the second Man, as to the human being flesh body of second creation in which He is come, and He was always hidden in God, with God, and was God, from the beginning, and always was to come.
Adam is made in His image, and is fallen; so He is come as brother to Adam in second creation flesh of humanity; which flesh was prepared new, in the womb of the virgin, so as to be the legal Redeemer/Kinsman, to ransom His own back, for the Glory they lost in the fall -and for more Glory in the regeneration, because Adam, the first man, is an earthling, of the earth dust; the second Man is the LORD from heaven.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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God the Word is come in flesh as the New Thing in the Earth, when a woman compassed a geber [Jeremiah 31:22], and always was to come in flesh, from the foundation of the creation; and Adam is made in His bodily image -the image of a man is the image of God the Word, who is YHWH in the second Person.
Moses saw His similitude and spoke with Him "mouth to mouth", just as Adam did speak to Him in person, before the fall.
Isaiah saw Him on the Throne as YHWH of hosts, in Isaiah 6; and John says Isaiah saw the [pre-incarnate] LORD Jesus Christ, in John 12:37-41].

Adam is made male and female, BTW, as Genesis 5:2 states, and the female Adam is taken out of the male Adam, and both are one Adam in spirit and in flesh and in bone and in blood.

Even so, Jesus the Christ is the "ARM" of YHWH, come in flesh of second human being creation. He is the second Man, as to the human being flesh body of second creation in which He is come, and He was always hidden in God, with God, and was God, from the beginning, and always was to come.
Adam is made in His image, and is fallen; so He is come as brother to Adam in second creation flesh of humanity; which flesh was prepared new, in the womb of the virgin, so as to be the legal Redeemer/Kinsman, to ransom His own back, for the Glory they lost in the fall -and for more Glory in the regeneration, because Adam, the first man, is an earthling, of the earth dust; the second Man is the LORD from heaven.
Can we get something NOT from the Bible?
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:04 PM
 
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God the Word is come in flesh as the New Thing in the Earth, when a woman compassed a geber [Jeremiah 31:22], and always was to come in flesh, from the foundation of the creation; and Adam is made in His bodily image -the image of a man is the image of God the Word, who is YHWH in the second Person.
Moses saw His similitude and spoke with Him "mouth to mouth", just as Adam did speak to Him in person, before the fall.
Isaiah saw Him on the Throne as YHWH of hosts, in Isaiah 6; and John says Isaiah saw the [pre-incarnate] LORD Jesus Christ, in John 12:37-41].

Adam is made male and female, BTW, as Genesis 5:2 states, and the female Adam is taken out of the male Adam, and both are one Adam in spirit and in flesh and in bone and in blood.

Even so, Jesus the Christ is the "ARM" of YHWH, come in flesh of second human being creation. He is the second Man, as to the human being flesh body of second creation in which He is come, and He was always hidden in God, with God, and was God, from the beginning, and always was to come.
Adam is made in His image, and is fallen; so He is come as brother to Adam in second creation flesh of humanity; which flesh was prepared new, in the womb of the virgin, so as to be the legal Redeemer/Kinsman, to ransom His own back, for the Glory they lost in the fall -and for more Glory in the regeneration, because Adam, the first man, is an earthling, of the earth dust; the second Man is the LORD from heaven.

Can you just give a simple yes or no answer? Are you saying there were two creations?
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Yes, they have. It's not even a topic of debate.
Silly, then why try?

Man/Adam is limited to the boundaries set at creation, and Noah's three children were black, red, and white, who came off the Ark, as Enoch's dream visions described them. Before that, men were of varying colors, according to Enoch's dream visions; and Jacob was smooth and Esau was hairy as a goat, all over. Variations are inherent and have boundaries set by the Creator. There is no new information since the beginning.

There has been genetic manipulation by men who got the info at first from fallen angels on how to "cut roots =split genes [as Enoch said], and man has done it before the flood and after, creating chimera -and they are doing it again today, but they have to manipulate the genetic information to create chimera by cutting roots, just as the fallen angels taught man to do before the flood, and as they did after the flood, so they are doing today, and to provoke God who set the boundaries of the kinds, within which are great diversities, and no new information can be added to the one kind from the beginning of creation.

There is something funny God did at the time of the tower, however;
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Jasher chapter 9: 31-36 And they built the tower and the city, and they did this thing daily until many days and years were elapsed. And God said to the seventy angels who stood foremost before him, to those who were near to him, saying, Come let us descend and confuse their tongues, that one man shall not understand the language of his neighbor, and they did so unto them.

And from that day following, they forgot each man his neighbor's tongue, and they could not understand to speak in one tongue, and when the builder took from the hands of his neighbor lime or stone which he did not order, the builder would cast it away and throw it upon his neighbor, that he would die. And they did so many days, and they killed many of them in this manner.
And the Lord smote the three divisions that were there, and he punished them according to their works and designs; those who said, We will ascend to heaven and serve our gods, became like apes and elephants; and those who said, We will smite the heaven with arrows, the Lord killed them, one man through the hand of his neighbor; and the third division of those who said, We will ascend to heaven and fight against him, the Lord scattered them throughout the earth.
And those who were left amongst them, when they knew and understood the evil which was coming upon them, they forsook the building, and they also became scattered upon the face of the whole earth.
Perhaps that is why Sarah was so exceedingly gracious and beautiful in all her form, to the eyes of the Egyptians, when Abram came into Egypt [Genesis apocryphon, DSS], because they had been uglified by their association with the babel rebellion!
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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Can you just give a simple yes or no answer? Are you saying there were two creations?
Two creations of human beings, yes, biblically: the first is Adam, the second is the New Man, who is YHWH come in a second creation human being brother to Adam body of flesh, that is fully human, and is not of Adam's dirt, but is a new creation body prepared in the womb of the virgin for His incarnation, so as to be the Kinsman/Redeemer who has the legal right and the power to ransom the lost race made in His image and get them back, for the Glory, and to ransom the lost kingdom given to the lost Adam race, which He shares the inheritance of to all who are now adopted in Spirit and then will be regenerated in flesh to His one New Man image.

We who are born of His Spirit will not be called "Adam" when we receive the regenerated [metamorphosed] body of our resurrection in His New Man image. We will have His New Name written on us then, and Adam will be no more.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Can we get something NOT from the Bible?
No Nea1!
Bible is the word of jebus and should be quoted whenever possible regardless of the question at hand!
you should know that by now!!!
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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No Nea1!
Bible is the word of jebus and should be quoted whenever possible regardless of the question at hand!
you should know that by now!!!
I see that..no reasoning with some!!
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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Two creations of human beings, yes, biblically: the first is Adam, the second is the New Man, who is YHWH come in a second creation human being brother to Adam body of flesh, that is fully human, and is not of Adam's dirt, but is a new creation body prepared in the womb of the virgin for His incarnation...

Well, that seems to toss the notion of the global flood of Noah in the trash.
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