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Old 07-29-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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If you read the New Testament, you'll see that Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven.
Ahem

hell
Mat_5:22; Mat_5:29; Mat_5:30; Mat_10:28; Mat_11:23; Mat_16:18; Mat_18:9; Mat_23:15; Mat_23:33; Mar_9:43; Mar_9:45; Mar_9:47; Luk_10:15; Luk_12:5; Luk_16:23;
heaven
Mat_3:2; Mat_3:17; Mat_4:17; Mat_5:3; Mat_5:10; Mat_5:12; Mat_5:16; Mat_5:18; Mat_5:19; Mat_5:20; Mat_5:34; Mat_5:45; Mat_5:48; Mat_6:1; Mat_6:9; Mat_6:10; Mat_6:20; Mat_7:11; Mat_7:21; Mat_8:11; Mat_10:7; Mat_10:32; Mat_10:33; Mat_11:11; Mat_11:12; Mat_11:23; Mat_11:25; Mat_12:50; Mat_13:11; Mat_13:24; Mat_13:31; Mat_13:33; Mat_13:44; Mat_13:45; Mat_13:47; Mat_13:52; Mat_14:19; Mat_16:1; Mat_16:17; Mat_16:19; Mat_18:1; Mat_18:3; Mat_18:4; Mat_18:10; Mat_18:14; Mat_18:18; Mat_18:19; Mat_18:23; Mat_19:12; Mat_19:14; Mat_19:21; Mat_19:23; Mat_20:1; Mat_21:25; Mat_22:2; Mat_22:30; Mat_23:9; Mat_23:13; Mat_23:22; Mat_24:29; Mat_24:30; Mat_24:31; Mat_24:35; Mat_24:36; Mat_25:1; Mat_25:14; Mat_26:64; Mat_28:2; Mat_28:18; Mar_1:11; Mar_6:41; Mar_7:34; Mar_8:11; Mar_10:21; Mar_11:25; Mar_11:26; Mar_11:30; Mar_11:31; Mar_12:25; Mar_13:25; Mar_13:27; Mar_13:31; Mar_13:32; Mar_14:62; Mar_16:19; Luk_2:15; Luk_3:21; Luk_3:22; Luk_4:25; Luk_6:23; Luk_9:16; Luk_9:54; Luk_10:15; Luk_10:18; Luk_10:20; Luk_10:21; Luk_11:2; Luk_11:16; Luk_15:7; Luk_15:18; Luk_15:21; Luk_16:17; Luk_17:24; Luk_17:29; Luk_18:13; Luk_18:22; Luk_19:38; Luk_20:4; Luk_20:5; Luk_21:11; Luk_21:26; Luk_21:33; Luk_22:43; Luk_24:51; Joh_1:32; Joh_1:51; Joh_3:13; Joh_3:27; Joh_3:31; Joh_6:31; Joh_6:32; Joh_6:33; Joh_6:38; Joh_6:41; Joh_6:42; Joh_6:50; Joh_6:51; Joh_6:58; Joh_12:28; Joh_17:1;
Not context related but the amount of times the words appear in the gospills

1/10 for trying
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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If you read the New Testament, you'll see that Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven.
Negative on that ghostrider as justme58 has already shown. You then have to take every mistranslation of the words Tartarus, Gehenna, Sheol, and Hades into account, especially in the KJV. That cuts hell references down even more. I've read and studied your book a lot. That would also be in context (historical and literal), in the original languages and the earliest versions.

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Old 07-29-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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And some people wonder why the Christian population is plummeting in the US, and stagnant worldwide.



No matter how well one dresses up the message (or in this case makes a gaudy eyesore of a message), no one is buying it anymore.

All Empires eventually collapse, by either over extending themselves or by stagnation. Christianity had 2,000 years, a good run to be sure, but it's time for that Empire to fall.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Ahem

hell
Mat_5:22; Mat_5:29; Mat_5:30; Mat_10:28; Mat_11:23; Mat_16:18; Mat_18:9; Mat_23:15; Mat_23:33; Mar_9:43; Mar_9:45; Mar_9:47; Luk_10:15; Luk_12:5; Luk_16:23;
heaven
Mat_3:2; Mat_3:17; Mat_4:17; Mat_5:3; Mat_5:10; Mat_5:12; Mat_5:16; Mat_5:18; Mat_5:19; Mat_5:20; Mat_5:34; Mat_5:45; Mat_5:48; Mat_6:1; Mat_6:9; Mat_6:10; Mat_6:20; Mat_7:11; Mat_7:21; Mat_8:11; Mat_10:7; Mat_10:32; Mat_10:33; Mat_11:11; Mat_11:12; Mat_11:23; Mat_11:25; Mat_12:50; Mat_13:11; Mat_13:24; Mat_13:31; Mat_13:33; Mat_13:44; Mat_13:45; Mat_13:47; Mat_13:52; Mat_14:19; Mat_16:1; Mat_16:17; Mat_16:19; Mat_18:1; Mat_18:3; Mat_18:4; Mat_18:10; Mat_18:14; Mat_18:18; Mat_18:19; Mat_18:23; Mat_19:12; Mat_19:14; Mat_19:21; Mat_19:23; Mat_20:1; Mat_21:25; Mat_22:2; Mat_22:30; Mat_23:9; Mat_23:13; Mat_23:22; Mat_24:29; Mat_24:30; Mat_24:31; Mat_24:35; Mat_24:36; Mat_25:1; Mat_25:14; Mat_26:64; Mat_28:2; Mat_28:18; Mar_1:11; Mar_6:41; Mar_7:34; Mar_8:11; Mar_10:21; Mar_11:25; Mar_11:26; Mar_11:30; Mar_11:31; Mar_12:25; Mar_13:25; Mar_13:27; Mar_13:31; Mar_13:32; Mar_14:62; Mar_16:19; Luk_2:15; Luk_3:21; Luk_3:22; Luk_4:25; Luk_6:23; Luk_9:16; Luk_9:54; Luk_10:15; Luk_10:18; Luk_10:20; Luk_10:21; Luk_11:2; Luk_11:16; Luk_15:7; Luk_15:18; Luk_15:21; Luk_16:17; Luk_17:24; Luk_17:29; Luk_18:13; Luk_18:22; Luk_19:38; Luk_20:4; Luk_20:5; Luk_21:11; Luk_21:26; Luk_21:33; Luk_22:43; Luk_24:51; Joh_1:32; Joh_1:51; Joh_3:13; Joh_3:27; Joh_3:31; Joh_6:31; Joh_6:32; Joh_6:33; Joh_6:38; Joh_6:41; Joh_6:42; Joh_6:50; Joh_6:51; Joh_6:58; Joh_12:28; Joh_17:1;
Not context related but the amount of times the words appear in the gospills

1/10 for trying
You did a simple word search through the gospels and found that the word Heaven came up more times than Hell did. Very true.

Unfortunately, this does not shed any light on whether or not Jesus preached more on heaven than Hell.

Hundreds of times Jesus makes a reference to heaven, but is clearly not talking about nor preaching directly on the literal heaven that Christians will go to when they die (the New Jerusalem). For instance, throughout the book of Matthew Jesus constantly refers to "The Kingdom of Heaven", yet this is not talking about a literal heaven.

If it is, then we have a lot of explaining to do: Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Jesus constantly refers to heaven by saying things like "My Father in Heaven", yet this is not preaching on heaven.

Jesus sometimes preached directly on heaven without even mentioning the word. For example, he talks of going to prepare many mansions for us, which talks of the dwellings Christian's will enjoy in heaven, yet he never uses the word heaven.

However, after going through all the gospels with a red letter Bible, I can tell you that whenever Jesus is preaching on the afterlife, the vast majority of times He preached on Hell and he was repetitive about it. If you don't believe me, grab a Bible and get skimming.

Plus, Jesus spoke in other books of the Bible, namely Acts & The Revelation.

The old saying is true: Jesus preached more on Hell than Heaven
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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What is Gehenna?
Gehenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Some Actual Photos of Hell
(Image 5 shows where "The worm never dies".)
Photos of Hell


About Sheol
Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And some people wonder why the Christian population is plummeting in the US, and stagnant worldwide.



No matter how well one dresses up the message (or in this case makes a gaudy eyesore of a message), no one is buying it anymore.

All Empires eventually collapse, by either over extending themselves or by stagnation. Christianity had 2,000 years, a good run to be sure, but it's time for that Empire to fall.
That's not true. People are coming to faith in Christ daily. Some 340,000 new believers were reported by Southern Baptist churches (my chosen denomination) in 2008. That's a small percentage of worldwide new believers.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Negative on that ghostrider as justme58 has already shown. You then have to take every mistranslation of the words Tartarus, Gehenna, Sheol, and Hades into account, especially in the KJV. That cuts hell references down even more. I've read and studied your book a lot. That would also be in context (historical and literal), in the original languages and the earliest versions.
Decided against betting your Corvette?
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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What is Gehenna?
Gehenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Some Actual Photos of Hell
(Image 5 shows where "The worm never dies".)
Photos of Hell


About Sheol
Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's funny.

Christians get to enjoy their hell before they even die.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Decided against betting your Corvette?
Nah, just decided it sounded pretentious...which it did.

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Old 07-29-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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Nah, just decided it was pretentious...which it was.
Fair enough.
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