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Old 07-30-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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The evidence is worldwide. What is coined as the modern word, dinosaurs [terrible lizards], and humans have always interacted. Click a thumbnail ica stone below for a larger view.

From Artifacts of Live Dinosaurs, some interacting with Humans courtesy of Dr. Javier Cabrera (Professor of Medicine) and Dr. Don Patton (Geologist)

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[CENTER]Artifacts of Live Dinosaurs, some interacting with Humans
courtesy of Dr. Javier Cabrera (Professor of Medicine) and
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See also: omniology.com
World Site of Dinosaur Figurines of Mexico: evidence that dinosaurs and humans coexisted! [LEFT][SIZE=3]Doctors Cabrera and Patton have many photographs of interest on Dr. Patton's web site at [/SIZE][SIZE=3]http://www.bible.ca/tracks/[/SIZE][SIZE=3]. You may purchase these photographs from his web site. He also has some very interesting videos you can buy at prices far below what he could be getting for these videos. You can even watch all of his videos from his web site, allowing you to try before you buy.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]We are grateful to Dr. Cabrera and Dr. Patton for allowing us to put these photographs on our web site. [/SIZE][SIZE=3]Please be aware that all of these photographs are copyrighted[/SIZE][SIZE=3]. The descriptions that appear next to each photograph appeared next to the photo's that we scanned. Click on the small thumbnail picture to see a larger, more detailed version of each.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[CENTER][SIZE=5]INCA BURIAL STONES[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]Dr. Javier Cabrera (above left with Geologist, Dr. Don Patton) was professor of medicine and head of his department at the University of Lima. He has retired from that position and is presently the Cultural Anthropologist for Ica, Peru. In the early 1930's, his father found many of these ceremonial burial stones in area's numerous Inca tombs. Dr. Cabrera has continued his father's research and has collected over 1100 of them. Approximately one third depict the pornographic culture of the Incas, graphically portrayed in the artifacts of that period (c.a. 500-1500 AD). Some picture their idolatry (#5 below), other represent amazing accomplishments, such as successful brain surgery (#4 below) confirmed by scarred skulls which demonstrate healed recovery.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]Almost one third of the stones depict specific types of dinosaurs, like those seen below, as well as Triceratops, Stegosaurus and Pterosaurs. Several diplodocus-like dinosaurs have what appear to be dermal frills (#3 below). Confirmation of these features has been reported only recently (Geology, 12/1992, v.20, No.12, p.1068-1070).[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]The Indian chronicler, Juan de Santa Cruz Pachachuti Llamgui wrote that at the time of the Inca Pachachuti many carved stones were found in the Kingdom of Chinca, in Chinchayunga, which were called "Manco." (Juan de Santa Cruz Pachachuti Llamqui: "Relacion de antique dades d'este reyno del Peru.") The reference to "Chinchayunga" was the low country of the central coast of Peru, where Ica is located today. "Manco" is believed to be a corruption of the Aymara word "malku" which means "Chieftain" or "lord of vassals." It is noted that some of these stones were taken back to Spain. The chronicler of the Incas wrote in about 1570.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]The OJO, Lima Domingo, a major newspaper in Lima, Peru on October 3, 1993 described a Spanish Priest traveling in the are of Ica in 1525 inquiring about the unusual engraved stones with strange animals on them.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[LEFT][SIZE=3]All of this is very interesting since "modern" man's conception of dinosaurs did not begin until the 1800's when the word dinosaur was coined (1841). These stones do not depict skeletons but live, active dinosaurs, most of whom are seen interacting with man. The obvious implication is that ancient Peruvians saw and lived with dinosaurs.[/SIZE][/LEFT]
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[SIZE=5]Clay Figurines found at base of El Toro Mountain, Mexico[/SIZE][SIZE=3]The drawing at the left (not pictured because of copyright issues) is from Bob Bakker's book, Dinosaur Heresies (1986). He begins by telling the story of his realization, "There's something wrong with our dinosaurs." He says, "I had grown up with the dinosaurian orthodoxy about dinosaur ways - how the were swamp bound monsters of sluggish dispositions, plodding with somnolent strides through the sodden terrain..." His contrasting view has drastically altered the way dinosaurs are now depicted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The same modern ideas are reflected in clay figurines from the Pre-classical Chupicuaro Culture (800 B.C to 200 A.D.) found near Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico. Ankylosaurs exhibited a great deal of variety as do our modern dogs, however, the general type is readily recognizable in the Acambaro figurine. The most obvious explanation for hundreds of life-like depiction's of dinosaurs is that they have not been gone that long. These people saw them.[/SIZE]
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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The Ica stones are a well-known hoax. Even those perpetuating the hoax admitted it. Are you really that gullible?
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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Are you really that gullible?
yes
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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The Ica stones are a well-known hoax. Even those perpetuating the hoax admitted it. Are you really that gullible?
The ones depicting aliens and dinos are certainly hoaxes, yes, crafted by people too lazy to farm their land who sold nearly two hundred to the very gullible Cabrara.

But like any "good" hoax, there is a sample of truth.

Most of the Ica Stones are, indeed, authentic.

Just thought I'd mention that before Campbell hit the thread and started complaining.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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2nd verse, same as the first. zzzzzzzzzz You think we could merge these two threads? It's a little superfluous, eh?
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:38 PM
 
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The Ica stones are a well-known hoax. Even those perpetuating the hoax admitted it. Are you really that gullible?
You fell for a lie on purpose, without investigating for yourself, because to admit the truth is to admit you believe a lie and follow those who suppress the truth on purpose.

The Ica stones have a long history, back to the Conquistadors, when some were taken to England.
It is against the law to sell antiquities, there, so some few of those who did sell them gave a false testimony against themselves so as not to go to prison, as investigations proved. However: the true Ica stones are not possible to create with any primitive tools of man, and would take laser technology to engrave them, and then they have the patina of age, also, besides being laser engraved.

Also, the depictions of men with "dinosaurs" shows types and kinds that were not known to modern men [in so called educated circles] even at the time the stones were discovered which showed the different types, and/or anatomical features that modern men did not know or understand, with just a few bone fossils here and there.

Also, Ica stones show heart transplant surgeries before heart transplant surgeries were attained in modern times, and brain surgeries that for all the world look like brain transplants [which has been achieved in a primitive way in the past decades by transplanting monkey heads, in the USA, with the monkeys surviving for a time as reorted by two scientists at a medical center in Cinncinnati, Ohio; and there were claims by Drs who escaped from Russia before the iron curtain fell, who claim that it was being done on humans in the Soviet Union. And the same stories have come out of China. The Ica stones depicting such as that preceeded that information by many decades.
The known Ica stones number about 50,000, and there is no way they could have been engraved on the stone using anything but laser technology; also, the patina is certified as ancient, not new.

That's all just a quick report off the top of my head, and one can check for the true facts, but that is the gist of it. The research is done, and the true Ica stones are valid; and the interaction between humans and dinosaurs is engraved on those stones, and many were discovered before the fossills of the kinds were even discovered -and many kinds are not yet discovered which are depicted.

Now, the facts are that the stones are real, ancient, and true depictions.
What one believes about the facts is their own opinion. Christians have biblical world views, and my opinion is that they depict human beings of that area of the world interacting with dinosaurs and doing many things surgically. which were not done in the western world again until modern times.
There is nothing new under the sun, as Solomon wrote. It has all been done before.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:19 AM
 
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The proof of men and dinosaurs together in the true ICA stones, laboratory tested by independent and credible labs -scary stuff for evolutionists, indeed!

YouTube - Creation In The 21st Century - The Ica Stones 3 of 3

Ancient technology of the Peruvians at time of the ICA stones surpassed ours, in surgeries.


YouTube - Creation In The 21st Century - The Ica Stones 2 of 3

Creation evidence #1, on the ICA burial stones.
YouTube - Creation In The 21st Century - The Ica Stones 1 of 3
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:46 AM
 
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Gods, I love it when you post. I can almost hear the trampling of feet as the Athiest numbers swell.

Carl Baugh is a YEC, and a fraud as well. Even other YECers can't stand him. He has no standing among any scintific or psuedoscintific community, and ahs been caught committing frauds so many times the man is quite laughable.

That you consider him a valid source speaks volumes.
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:01 AM
 
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Is this really an argument that dinosaurs (which are carbon dated back anywhere from 125 to 65 million years ago) co-existed with humans (of which the oldest fossils date back about 65,000 years?)?



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Old 07-31-2009, 05:41 AM
 
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Is this really an argument that dinosaurs (which are carbon dated back anywhere from 125 to 65 million years ago) co-existed with humans (of which the oldest fossils date back about 65,000 years?)?



This is the greatest forum on City Data.
Carbon dating can only date 10,000 years with some tests to 50,000 years with loss of acuracy.

You are probably refering to some type of Isotopic dating.

Of course with all of its errors, assumptions and being maped onto a Uniformatarian time scale.
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